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Aug 22, 2024
A Numbers Game | August 22, 2024 | Hour 2
A Numbers Game | August 22, 2024 | Hour 2
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0:01
The numbers told the story. They always do. You're one of those idiots who believe in analytics? This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander on VSiN.
0:09
Hour number two of a numbers game at VSiN, the sports betting network, vsin.com, Game Plus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV. However you're taking us in, we appreciate it. It's Gil Alexander. It's Kelly Bidlin, everybody.
0:19
Producer number nine. Kelly, uh, silent there, uh, during the Dr. Bob segments, 'cause Bob, uh, Bob's gotta say stuff about those teams, so- He's got a lot of information to get out... it's, it's nice to have you back...
0:28
a lot of good stuff to get out, yeah. He does. He does. And he is, again, he's, he's, uh, phenomenal and, uh, we're thrilled to have him on, uh, for another season here on the show. Um, we get a lot of tweets.
0:38
Guys, should I read tweets now or should I wait? You tell me. I should wait. He gave... Kelly just gave me the Heisman off air. He's like, "Stop right there, young man."
0:46
Uh, ladies and gentlemen, you know what this means. 11:00 AM Eastern, 6:00 AM Pacific on Thursdays, it means but one thing, unscripted with the crack man Bill Kragenberger. [upbeat music] Uh, uh, uh,
1:06
uh. Billy, what's happening? How we doing, guys? I'm very close to you. Look, we have a split screen, and watch what hap- Yeah... watch what happens here. Pop. Ooh. See that?
1:14
[laughs] Yeah, we usually don't get this close. Look at this. Look at this. Hey. Wait a minute. [laughs] The magic of television. Yeah. What's happening, man? Man, I got a lot of stuff to talk about.
1:23
No, I'll never get it in. We'll, we'll fill it next week. Usually- [laughs]... we're so unscripted, but- We're just starting... it just, just that, you know, we're... I, do you guys believe football's here already?
1:31
I mean- Oh, it's awful. Yeah... football is like, it flew here. Do you, are you be- First, let's just start there. Yeah. Are you betting anything this week in preseason, or are you just- Oh, y- y- yes. You are.
1:41
Even week three you are, yeah. Oh, oh, God, yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. Sure. Excuse me. My God. [laughs] Pardon me for asking. You know, I, it, it... There's so much to, uh- Care to share what you're betting?
1:50
Uh, it's, it's, it wouldn't be fair, you know, so it's funny- It's gone. Gone already?... it's funny you say that. Yeah. So, you know, uh, we, um, they, you guys put the show up every week.
1:57
Well, y- you try to put the show up every week, and, and they're, they're pretty good at that on, on, uh- [laughs]... YouTube.
2:03
No, I, I understand that they're, you know, they're cutting everyone left and right over here. I'm lucky that I'm able to even get my parking paid for. Okay. But, um- Okay. [laughs] No, but, but, um- Yes...
2:12
no, you, you guys put the show up every week, and there's little comments, and some people were, like, upset at certain things, like, "Oh, you know, you guys don't talk about..."
2:21
I'm looking for it right now, last week's show. Yeah. Uh, "You, you guys don't talk about, you know, games and giving out selections and..." Um, no, uh, one of the, one of our good fans here, he's, he's a good guy.
2:32
He comments on a lot of things, and I, I can take constructive criticism. Yep.
2:35
Arthur Fonzarelli, um, "Not to criticiz- criticize the show, but the w- it was 40 minutes of ATM machines, video poker, restaurant reviews- Yeah... we're a week from po- football, let's go."
2:44
Well, my thing to Arthur is, you know, that we're kind of a lifestyle show when I'm on here. I don't really give out picks- Yeah. Yeah... because when I bet something, it's gonna move. So there's, there's...
2:54
It's not fair to give out, you know, you guys, that I bet. I, I, I could just go to my bets. And, and, and if you did give them out, people would criticize you for giving them out and going the wrong way.
3:01
For giving them out. It, it's, it's a- Yeah... it's such a hard- Yeah... line to, to walk, right?
3:06
But your, but your preseason, the, the, the main thing is your preseason process is you're, you're simply just doing it on information, right? Who's playing, who's not. Who's playing- Yeah... who's not.
3:14
Um, a- again, like, you could just look, Panthers minus two, I mean, it's four. It's not fair to give that out now. Um, Ch- uh, Chiefs plus three. I mean, like, like, these games are, are, are way gone.
3:26
It's, it's just not fair to give out these type of games to, to, uh, to, to anybody and say, "Oh, this, you, this is worth something now." No, hon- honestly, I took a game the other day.
3:35
I have to pull up my screen real quick, but I took a game the other day, plus three or plus two, and it's, it's mi- or it's plus two, and it's minus three now. Honestly, the other side of the game is right now.
3:47
That's right. Yeah. Both sides of the game are right. Wow. If you wanna move a game five points after I bet it, or after my group bets it, I should say, too. Um, yeah, Green Bay, Baltimore. I took two on Green Bay.
4:00
It- it's minus three now. Well, guess what? The only way to bet now is Baltimore plus the three.
4:05
So I'm not gonna tell you that, that Green Bay is a good bet, even though, um, they have announced playing starters against non-starters. And, um, it's all based on that. It's based on beat reporters.
4:16
It's based on starters. It's, you know, it's based on coaches. It could be assistant coaches. It could be strength and conditioning coaches. It could be last year a player's son. No, not a player's son.
4:27
A, uh, coach's son. A coach's son said something on his socials. So I have those bugs that read the socials every day. That's their whole life is reading.
4:36
Matter, matter of fact, those bugs may not be good at winning because they may not be good at betting. They'll, they'll get too... Emotions will get in the way. Oh my God, you're betting 10,000, 20,000 a game.
4:46
Oh, oh my God. Oh my God. I also, the, the thing with preseason, if I may just chime in also, it's like, you know, look, if, if you, if you want, you know, preseason picks every single week, um, good for you.
4:57
Um, that, that's your thing. It's not necessarily my thing, right? Like, I just don't, I don't feel the pressure to f- to give you picks on something that I don't feel is... Like the average person.
5:09
You, you could have a system where you have people monitoring that stuff.
5:13
The average person listening, uh, isn't necessarily going to do that, and if you're looking to us, I've told you this, this preseason, what we've talked about, everything didn't really...
5:23
It, it has changed from a four-week arc to a three-week arc. So again, that whole thing about teams coming off a loss versus teams coming off a win in week two no longer works.
5:33
Um, and if you're looking for specific handicaps, um, listen, I, I know a guy who's, uh, on one of these teams in the NFL, and just with the comm- with that communication and knowing the chaos of who's gonna play or who's not gonna play, even internally, I'm not going to sit here and act like it is a kosher thing for me to then pass on to you what I g- am guessing is going to happen personnel wise in a game.
5:57
Yes. So, so I'm just being honest about that. Yeah. Yeah You know, there, there are other shows that'll give you that.
6:02
I, this is not one of them I mean, I'm, I, I, listen, you can ask guys like myself, Fez, other guy- Yeah... people that are in, are in that part of the game.
6:10
I wish we had preseason, uh, 18 weeks and regular season three weeks. Fez, Fez doesn't this year. Yeah. No, no, no, he, yeah, he give out... He gave me a text last week. He got crushed He said overs- He got crushed...
6:21
on all these- Yeah. So I mean- Yeah, overs... uh, so, and by the way, like everybody knows, once the season starts, nobody does more football than we do. Right.
6:28
So it's like, I, you know, if, if, again, so I think there's a lot that goes into a preseason mix.
6:33
Now, um, you know, if pickings pews your spots, Kelly Bittling over here, my, uh, my friend, has done very well picking, uh, college, uh, picking NFL preseason games. Do you, are you betting anything in week three?
6:43
No, I didn't bet anything this week. I- No... like, like, like Bill said, it was, uh, I, just major line moves early in the week. I didn't really get anything early on the right side.
6:51
So I, I, I think I'm passing on everything, so right as- They're overmoving so many things right now, too. When you, when I bet something in, in Westgate or Circa, uh, I, I can't believe.
7:01
Like, I'll actually bet something that I see... I noticed the other day in Westgate I bet some, oh, the plus three. I bet plus three. They didn't go to plus two or plus one or pick 'em. They went to minus one and a half.
7:10
[laughs] One shot, four and a half- So what are we- That's wild... so what are we talking about? Four and a half points. Yeah. What, what are we talking about? Yeah. Middle time. Probably should be middle one.
7:16
Yeah, sh- probab- well, by the way, the middles- Yeah... have been hitting very nicely. Yeah. The, um- But now you say, but here's the-... Carolina would hit last week... but here's the thing.
7:22
You used the word probably, and that is one of these things that I love to seize on. Yeah Because we're on air, and we've got to provide content, and here you are saying probably.
7:31
In actual practice, how often do you do it? I, I, I'm trying to get as much down as I can on the right side. I, I- That's what I'm saying...
7:36
I just, I, you know, it's not just, it's, it's- It, it, that's one of those things that I think we way, way over- So yeah, there is no middles for me... we a, we way overestimate that in practice, right? Yeah.
7:45
In theory, sounds great. Right. Yeah, no. But there's a lot, there's a lot of retrospect about that It's tough to get down. I mean, th- this is, this is a, this is a very fragile, limited market.
7:53
You know, if you go to bet this in a place... First of all, if you go to bet this in some of the sports books, not here. I, I have to give, I have to give the four sports books credit.
8:02
It's here, Circa, Westgate, South Point, and a Win. At least they know what they're getting from it, and they overmove the lines and try to get customers on the other side of the lines.
8:10
Don't think they're gonna get that during preseason. Other sports books, just limit your 10 grocery dollars. Stations, terrible. They should just take blood at the door.
8:18
If you have blood coming out of your wrist- [laughs]... we don't want you. So, uh, Boyd Gaming, absolutely o- [laughs] There's so many executives at Boyd that are stealing paychecks, it bothers me.
8:27
So executives in, in, that, that work for the sports books, I mean- I, I miss the bloodletting station at the front of Palace Station. Oh, there's a- I miss that. Yeah. But yeah, I, listen, I'll talk good and bad.
8:36
Just to check you out. Yeah, yeah. I love Station's restaurants. I love, I love, uh, Durango Station. Durango's awesome, yeah. I think it's great. [laughs] I mean, I'll talk good and bad about things.
8:44
They have great progressive banks of video poker at Durango. I'll tell you the good and bad, so. The new app's good. The, the new f- the new- They have, they have a desktop version coming soon, Bill. Oh, really? Coming.
8:53
The sports betting app? [laughs] Coming soon. Do you have an account? 'Cause I can, I can use a beard. Your, your- Bill, Bill, it's, it's been coming soon for three years. Oh. Yeah. I thought you were being serious.
9:01
No, no, no, no. No, with the, the desktop thing. That was a summer thi- uh, right? Wasn't it, like, a couple- Coming soon... months ago we got that? Yeah. Yeah. Soon as, soon as a, as a, you know, subjective word.
9:08
But just to let you know, most of the people, and I know you don't, probably don't read the comments. You don't have time, a guy like you.
9:13
Um, no, 'cause you're, you're busy, and you do five da- I, I still don't know how you guys, seriously. Oh. Five days a week, and I think about Gil, you used to have to do a night show. I used to do two, to two a day.
9:21
It's unbelievable. For two years. You must have so much money. I was- I was, I was not a human being those two years. [laughs] Oh. Yeah. But yeah, so, so anyways- You must have so much money.
9:29
Very good- What's, what's that? [laughs] It was Bill's comment. What'd he say? He didn't hear it. He didn't hear it. He didn't hear it. What, what, what'd he say? Oh. He said, "You must have so much money."
9:36
Oh, I didn't, I didn't hear that at all. [laughs] But no, it, it, it's good though. Salud.
9:40
Uh, anyway, th- th- there's so many good comments though, and I, I just wanted to a- actually address him 'cause he, he comments a lot of times on a lot of our stuff.
9:47
No, no, we li- we like the constructive criticism, but I- Constructive criticism's fine... but, but it's not even, but, but we, but there is a design to that also, right?
9:53
Like, it, in other words, I'm not, um, I'm not trying to just give you action at all times for the sake of action if I don't feel like it is something sustainably good. Yes. That's right. And so, uh, yeah.
10:06
I'm not gonna give out picks if it's, if it's gon- oh, now we have to speak about the, they used us as a- Oh, yeah... big time on the show. Well, we were too close to the break to talk about it, but yes. Oh, we are?
10:16
Okay. But yes. Did you enjoy how they, how, the way they edited? We and I had no idea this was coming. I had no idea. It was like, it was Derek, crack, V- Gil.
10:24
[laughs] Get there, I, and I had no idea it was gonna be edited like that. But they, but apparently we- What?... we had no idea we were saying the opposite thing, so you would say something. That's the best part, yeah.
10:31
Then they would cut to me. Yeah. And they'd be like- It was cute how they did it. What I like to do is map out my whole season beforehand. [laughs] Cut to Gil.
10:37
I think these people that map out the whole season beforehand- No, I know... it can't- They, they might as well have had me going, "Bill is an idiot." Geez. No, I know.
10:44
It was, uh- [laughs] And, and, and it, it was, it was cute though that. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I got a lot of comments on it though on the show about us going out to eat and us putting Italian American Club on the map.
10:55
Yeah, yeah. But we, we... Listen, the place is great. We had to do it. We, we, you know, we just- Yeah, man...
10:59
chose a place where, uh, still, I still think I didn't get paid back actually for the, the bill, but it's, it's good. It's all right. They didn't pay you back? No, I'm joking. Oh. I, I, I don't think so, actually.
11:08
I tried paying. You wouldn't let me- No, I know... 'cause that's your thing. I know. That's your thing. No, but it, it was, I thought it was a pretty good show.
11:13
People loved the show more than I thought they would, so I'm happy about the comments. Oh. Oh, it was great. The comments on the show were great.
11:19
Everyone loves that buildup, and, uh, last week they called me up, so, um, Steven called me up to go over there to Circa. I thought we was gonna do some end of season recap from last year. Yeah. They doing season two.
11:28
He te- Did you know that? He te- he texted me too. I didn't even know. I was tr- Yeah... I was like, "Why? I didn't even bring money," you know, for the contest. [laughs] But yeah, I didn't know what they were doing.
11:36
Thanks, Steven. I totally missed that comment that he made. Uh, read all your tweets. I know I haven't read any tweets. We'll get to that on the other side.
11:43
Uh, more Unscripted with the Crack Man, Bill Krackenberger, on a Numbers Game at VSiN, the Sports Betting Network.
11:49
[upbeat music playing] A Numbers Game on VSiN, the Sports Betting Network. Back on a Numbers Game. Un, uh, un partido de numeros for those listening in Spanish.
12:06
Gil Alexander, Kelly Bittling is here, as is Bill Krackenberger, @BillKrackMan with a K on Twitter. Wise Cracks the name of the, uh- Of the, uh, podcast Is it Wisecracks? Wisecracks Podcast.
12:16
Wisecracks, the name of the podcast that he does with, uh, John Orlando. We get tweets at Beating the Book. We've gone too long without reading tweets.
12:22
Uh, @BrettSolomon here, uh, "Jason gave out Jackson Merrill beginning of the season, and I was able to get it 75-1 at BetParks." There you go, Brett, 75-1. That's the longest I've heard on him. Um, Alfonso Arambide.
12:38
Hope I said that right. "I'm sorry, but as a longtime fan of ANG, I am against you telling us the secret sushi spot. What's next? Telling us where you live so we ru- [laughs] so we run strangely with..." Oh, so we...
12:52
I don't know what he's saying there. "So we run strategy with Antonio Pierce on quarterback picks or telling Destiny how to better prepare for her auditions." First of all, her name is Delicious. It's not Destiny.
13:03
Uh, but yes. You know, so, so some people are against me giving it. By the way, Kelly, let me just say this. I called the place last night, and I said to them, "Hey, this is the story. I'm gonna give it out on the air."
13:13
They didn't seem that happy about it. I- What idiots. Yeah, I don't- They didn't, they didn't s- We're gonna have to have a talk with them tonight. Well, Destiny can get in person tonight. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:21
We'll talk to them in person. Uh, some Trip Tepper. "I love and respect Dr. Bob. He's an elite win total bettor, but I feel like an air traffic controller when he's on. 'Bob, land the plane!'"
13:30
[laughs] But Bob likes- What a great, great tweet... Bob likes to, Bob likes to be thorough. This is from Justafollowveson. "No more prairie dogs?
13:37
It's so cute when the whole team," talking about college football and the communication system. Uh, "It's so cute when the whole team stands up and looks over in unison." It is adorable, isn't it?
13:44
[laughs] Uh, this is from Vegas Vice. I didn't even get that at first. Prairie dog. Yeah. There it is.
13:49
Uh, "With communication systems," thank you Vegas Vice, "With communication system now allowed in college football, how are those communications secured?" In quotes.
13:56
"We all know that college football is the wild, wild west, where the 'honor system,'" again in quotes, "does not exactly work." Yeah, that's above our pay grade. I don't know how they're gonna secure it.
14:04
Uh, J Rod talking tennis. Oh, uh, Drew Dinsick, Zach Cohen, and I, I think Zach's joining us, uh, we're gonna do a US Open podcast right after the show.
14:11
The draw is coming out right after the show today, so we're gonna hang out and do a podcast. He says, uh, J Rod, "For the United States Open, if we don't get firm news, you cannot put Elena Rybakina in the mix at all.
14:22
She skipped practice on Monday and has not practiced, uh, since, and isn't on the schedule today. Something is up." Uh, he's right. But something's been up with Elena Rybakina all year. I don't know what's going on.
14:31
She's screaming at the press. She's weird with her coaches. Uh, Charlie D, USA Number 1, "Great to hear James Salinas on the program. He's the most straightforward bettor on VSON.
14:41
Always appreciate his style and accountability. He's, uh, out himself in betting... Oh, he's put himself in a betting timeout. Not being afraid to humble himself is a tremendous trait." I couldn't agree more.
14:53
One of the nicest guys, uh, in the business. Teasers and parlays. "Really enjoyed the segment with, with the rounding again." That's James, James Salinas.
15:00
"It's fun to pull back the curtain on the thought process that goes into making content," or excuse me, "contest selections." Um, I think we have even a couple more here before we get back to gambling.
15:09
That'll be a great podcast, guys, for you. I'm sure you guys know that, or they talked about that earlier. Yeah, James is on. Uh, yeah. You got two previous winners of conte- James... of James Salinas and Brady Cannon.
15:18
Yeah, talking about some stuff every week. And, uh, is that gonna be... Uh, is that on the podcast section or- It is not, it is not a VSON, it is not a VSON podcast. Oh. They're do- they're doing it on their own.
15:26
On their own? Yeah. Okay, cool. Doing it on their own. And, uh, Mike Pritchard, our, our guy, is on there as well. Oh, yeah. Football guy. Um, yeah. So, uh, it, it'll be very interesting.
15:34
And, and they're playing Survivor, which I told James, I said, "That could be comical, 'cause you guys even don't have to be good at that. If you've, if you crap out, it's almost as funny." Yeah.
15:42
'Cause their brains work differently. Sure. Sure, sure. No, that'll, that'll be a good one. Um, let me tell you, this is off of football again. We're gonna go to the...
15:50
I can't believe how much the, the Eagles are coming to town here, the group The Eagles, minus of course the person, Glenn Frey. Kelly and I were like, "Jalen Hurts is coming to town. Really?" No. My... I know.
16:00
With my dad in an old rock band. [laughs] Minus... I'm trying to think. There's a country singer singing in place of Glenn Frey, but he's very good though. Anyway, but- Glenn Frey no longer with us. Right. Yeah.
16:08
And, uh, the great Glenn Frey, but the rest of the band's still gonna be there, of course, you know, the great Joe Walsh and, um- Felder still play with them?
16:15
I don't know if Don Felder's with them, but- Here's, here's the thing with the Eagles. I am not a fan of the Eagles. Oh, wow. But if you, if you like a music documentary, watch The Eagles, the one on the Eagles.
16:26
It's like a two-hour thing. Right. Where Felder... Excuse me, uh, Don Henley and Glenn Frey are- Right... so mean- Wow... to, to Felder- Really?... who, who was the guy who came up with the Hotel California riff.
16:37
So, start, uh, wrote Hotel California. Yeah, no, they, um, uh, Don Henley will be there too, of course, but- Where are they playing? They're playing the Sphere. Oh, man. So now they have a residency at the Sphere. Yeah.
16:47
Tickets are, like, double what U2 was. Tickets are out of control. Out of control what tickets are. I actually put, put, you know, I, I have friends that want their...
16:56
I have a lot of pe- people that are coming in to see this. So you can get one of these boxes, one of these suites at the Sphere. I mean, w- do people have this kind of money? 24 seat.
17:05
Admission- There were, there were, there were suites at the Sphere. [laughs] Okay. Admission to Eagle... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There, a lot of the casinos have suites. Doesn't that defeat the point of the Sphere?
17:13
Can you see the whole f- the roof when you're at the Sphere? You know, I, well, here's the view. You could be right. Well, because that is the worst part, the s- Yeah...
17:18
worst place to sit, right, is it is the lower level all the way back. In something with a top on you. Yeah.
17:22
It does say, uh, "Enjoy the elevated VIP suite experience, feature best in-house box seats, and an unforgettable view." So I don't know. Yeah.
17:30
Um, but, but admission to the Eagles live at the Sphere, 24 guests, 'cause I have some friends that are nuts and, uh, just wanna waste a lot of money. Um, 24 seats. They're just trying to find 24 people to go with them.
17:44
Uh, 45,000 and up For the, for that suite. I just think they're just out of control. By the way, I was pretty shocked when I went to the Sphere, what a, what a great visual experience, uh, that was.
17:58
Uh, I probably regret not going to see U2 now. I s- I went with a couple buddies of mine that, that, that- Yeah... took me to... I, I don't, I didn't know a single song, the group song. Um- U2? No, no, after U2.
18:09
Dead and Company? Oh, of course. Grateful Dead. Dead. Grateful Dead. With, uh, whoever. Bob Weir. I mean, I know a couple songs from Grateful Dead, but they just chose not to sing.
18:16
These groups sometimes be like, they, they're like artistic sometimes, and, you know, but then again, there's some- Yeah... deep-rooted Dead songs for Deadheads, I guess. There's, there's a lot of stuff that happens.
18:25
But first of all, I'm, I'm with you, I, I still have yet to get to the Sphere.
18:27
I have yet to get to the Sphere, so I, I missed U2, so I, I- U2 was the best concert I've ever seen in my life, and I don't even like U2 that much. Wow. Is that right? Just because of the Sphere?
18:33
So was it U2 or the visual too? Everything. It was the visual too, of course. The visual of that show- I don't even like U2 that much... I was so glad I went. It was unbelievable.
18:41
And by the way, I can't believe no one... And I hope nothing happens to anybody, that's a dangerous... It's so steep where I was. They warn you not to stand. Like, it's scary. No, it, it, if you stand- Is that right?
18:52
Wow. Right. And, and I mean, I'm not trying to say about Deadheads, but they might be under the influence of something. Right. So it was, uh, it was really a great experience though.
19:00
So I look forward to going to the, see the Eagles here in this box that these guys are getting.
19:04
But, uh, I just thought the tickets were out of control, so- Kelly, Kelly, it's, uh, it's Jalen Hurts on lead, Lane Johnson plays the bass. [laughs] Uh, Devonta Smith on drums. The Eagles. Of the Eagles. Yeah.
19:12
I, I, I would see that. Um, the other thing, Janet Jackson is coming to town- Oh, wow... at Resorts World, and everyone's super pumped about this.
19:20
But let me just say this, like, years ago somebody asked me, like, "Which, who, what artist would you like to see have a residency in Vegas?" And I said, "Janet Jackson." And then she came to Park MGM,
19:28
and it was the most frustrating concert I've ever seen in my life. Real- Because she has a ton of hits, but she did this thing where every 90 seconds- Yeah... she would move on. She, like, played them all- That's-...
19:38
as like one big medley. Oh, it's like a DJ. Prince- Oh... Prince did the sa- I hate that... I s- I went to see Prince. I, I- It was the same thing...
19:43
drove me crazy Everyone was waiting for the Prince hits, and the same thing. So- Every, like 90 seconds, that's it. Yeah. It was like this- I'm like, "Oh, I love this song."
19:49
Well- And then the DJ, "Brr," goes to the next one... I saw Prince maybe m- I've seen Prince m- I saw Prince more than any other artist I've ever seen. Hard Rock? At Hard Rock here? Hard Rock was the last one.
19:57
Yeah, me too. By the time he was at the Hard Rock- Yes... it was 90 minutes. That's what it was. He was an old man at that point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, like he... But back in the day, like in San Fran- Oh, wow.
20:06
It must've been- In San Fran-... unbelievable... dude, in San Francisco, he would show up at like 3:00 AM at the Fillmore. We'd roll into work at like 7:00 AM just coming out of a, you know- Wow... he's still on stage.
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Yeah. It was just incredible. But, but the Janet Jackson thing's gonna be at Resorts World, so I hope she doesn't do that anymore, you know. Your Howard Jones days. Is that the guy that they're- Oh, Howard Jones.
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[laughs] Is he, is he, he was at, uh, Virgin? I seen someone, and I thought of you because there was like eight groups. I would love to go see Howard Jones. Uh, like Flock of Seagulls. Like, they had like- Yeah...
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it was pretty cool, like old school. Yeah. Um, a- a- and I thought of you. I said, "Wow, this is a..." No, is that the guy you seen up in San... That you, that you, that you were- Oh, no. No...
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Wait, who was the guy I'm thinking of? You're talking about Thomas Dolby. [laughs] Thomas Dolby was there. Oh, he was? That, that's the reason why I'm saying I had the wrong guy, Howard Jones.
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[laughs] Thomas Dolby was in town, I, I believe recently. I hope he's alive, I got the right guy. But, uh, yeah- Science... it was, that's it. And, and I seen all these like groups- Yeah...
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and I'm like, wow, it, it re- it reminded me of you. But anyway, uh, the Survivor. Yes. I have something to say before we go to commercial. Please.
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I'm just, s- you know, someone threw this around to me yesterday, and I said, "You know what? It's not a bad way maybe to play." He says how he's gonna use his, uh, entries.
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Focusing on the bad teams instead of the good teams. That's h- I'm sure it's not like a, a s- brain, brain, uh, they don't need to be a brain surgeon, but like you said, the Patriots, the Giants- Yeah... Carolina.
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He, he gave me three teams, and I think that was the three. That's largely how I got to week 14 the first year, because- Betting against the bad teams...
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the Jets and the Jaguars were so bad in 2020, the pandemic year, that you essentially exclusively, not ex- there was a couple exceptions, but as every other week, besides a couple, taking the team that was playing them got me all the way to week 14.
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Now, that also killed me in the end because then the Rams were a 17-point favorite against the Jets at home, and they lost- Right... outright. Right, right, right. So, but that is an absolute- Yeah...
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if you believe, as we do here, if you believe that the Patriots, for instance, are just that bad, that is an absolutely viable strategy.
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The Millions though, uh, may be the better value because it's probably going to be an overlay. I know it's- Yeah... it's probably going to be.
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And, uh, let me tell you this, I met, I ran into someone yesterday that had one entry, one, down at South Point last year, and he won $17,700 last year with one entry. Nice.
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That just sh- by the way, that just shows me how lucky it... I mean- Oh... the luck factor. He was in 17th hund- after seven weeks, he was in 1700th place, 1,700.
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And for him to come in the money and win 17-7, and he's just like, "I don't even know how I did this." Well, this is, this is- One entry...
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exactly right, but this is what I was trying to sort of convey on the, on the docuseries- Right... which is people have to acknowledge that it's not all them, right? Wow. There's a, there's a big luck factor involved.
22:46
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22:56
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23:06
Follow the contestants as they make all or nothing picks over the 2023 NFL season, and go behind the scenes of the world's largest legal, legal betting contest. Several VSiN hosts make appearances along the way.
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Go to vsin.com/survivor for details or to watch episode one. Can't wait for, uh, episodes two through five either. We get tweets at Beating The Book. Uh, try to get to all the, uh, the tweets this hour. Mr. Bomb Apple,
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uh, "Dr. Bob is yearly one of my favorite guests. So knowledgeable, and your respect for him is clear. I generally do not pay for picks, but he is one I am considering.
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If this is too personal, I understand, but are you a subscriber, or does VSiN get an automatic pass?" Uh, VSiN does not get an automatic pass, and I am not a subscriber. I'm just Bob's friend, so he sends them to me.
24:02
Yeah, I mean, how, how long, how long do you and Bob go back? Uh, to like- 2010 or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Wow. Um, what- I actually thought it was even longer than that. [laughs] Yeah, no, no.
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No, we meant 2010. Martle, uh, "Loved hearing James Salinas's process. Do you know where he re-watches game tape?
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Would love to weave that into my routine, but not sure if there are paid versus unpaid options, shorthand games, et cetera." It's a great question. They used to have these...
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Remember those 30-minute k- snap to snap capsules? Mm-hmm. Those were outstanding. But, uh, do those exist anymore? I think they still do. I'll have to ask James. We'll get back to you on that.
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3JackH3131, "Got to be, uh, quick on those Dr. Bob numbers." I think they still do. I don't know exactly where they might, where they're located these days, but I think they, it- It used to be a DirecTV thing.
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Right, yeah. And it was fantastic. Well, NFL.com always did stuff too, but I, I don't rem- I don't know exactly what they have right now. 3JackH3131, "Got to be quick on those Dr. Bob lines.
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Just watched Jacksonville State move from plus 105 to minus 145 almost instantly. Thanks as always." That's what happens, uh, when he talks. He's the E.F. Hutton of college football.
25:02
This is from Bert Wedemeyer, uh, this is for you, Crack. Uh, "Bill, I know you are going to be on your regular time slot with Gilly and Kelly this AM.
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Is there any way you could discuss how FanDuel does not," in capitals, "have the College Football Playoff championship odds up for the last five days or so? Am I missing something?"
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You know, I've noticed multiple sports books don't have certain things up, and, uh, sometimes you have to look deep within. You know, I do a, I do my Fox show on Sunday, it's sponsored by BetMGM.
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People, someone said to me on there, he go, "How come BetMGM doesn't have their season wins up?" Actually, BetMGM has a unbelievable way to put season wins up.
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They actually put almost every single number up, like over here, by the way, usually they just put over under five and a half wins.
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Here, at Circa, if that happens, they put on there over five and a half, six and a half, and four and a half. Four, yeah. So four and a half- Wow... the alternative ones. Well,
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MGM did not have it listed as regular season wins, RSW. They had each team listed with every single season win, from one and a half down, up to, you know, 16.
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And they just, the way they did it, regular people, I, I, I couldn't even hardly find. I was like, "What do you mean they don't have season wins up?" And he's right, it was so hard to find.
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But now I, I emailed them and I think they're gonna change that around a little bit. Same thing may- maybe, I'm not sure, Bert, um, same thing with, uh, the, the FanDuel sports book.
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Maybe it's just very deep within there, because how can you not have the championship, uh, the, and the, you know, the championship up? Yeah. Something doesn't make sense to me there.
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I'm looking at them up right now, but this is a... What that sounds like to me is somehow a state to state problem. All these websites go back to a certain state, right?
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So a, a, if you're in different states- I don't know, I-... you got different markets available. There's a chance it might be down in the state. I don't know.
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I just want to shout out Circa for having everything, and everybody lean in for this, 'cause this is an amazing process they use. Alphabetical order. Good God. Like, there are some books- Ah.
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There are some books, I swear- Excellent... Circa does a great job of that, right? You can find stuff so quickly. But there's some books- Very good... just even, like, NFL season win totals. Uh-huh.
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I'm like, "Okay, well, there's Washington, and now there's, uh, Buffalo, and now there's Jackson-" Like, it's just all over the place. Win totals is the best example, 'cause you never know. Co- college football.
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Every, every book organizes it a different way. Yeah. They do. Yeah. But you're right, 'cause I just noticed that yesterday and I was like, "God, look at this sports book.
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Doesn't even use a m- How, th- there's no way to find them. You have to tr- hope to find it down the end." I know. Um- Alphabetical. Yeah. Like, it's just so, it's [laughs]- Try that... yeah, it's so easy.
27:27
Uh, here's Tom Collins. This is for you, Bill, as well. He goes, uh, "Dumb question. How can odds be minus 110 and minus 105 on a game? Should you not be minus 110 plus 110?" Where's that at? Yeah.
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[laughs] What do you mean? What are you talking about? "I look forward to this hour every week. I record and rewatch many times." I, I mean- Thank you, Tom... I don't know. What, what's he saying? Minus 110 plus 110?
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I don't understand the question. I'm sorry. Tom, that's how the book makes money. Yeah, that's how the book makes money. Yeah. Yeah.
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But, but however, the minus 110 and minus 105 on, if it's the same game, that, that's reduced juice. It's minus 110, minus 110 on both sides normally.
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But some books do have specials, but I don't know about that minus 110, one plus 110. Kelly said it right, that's how the books make money. And thank you, Tom, also for, uh, correct- you know, letting us know.
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Vince Gill, a couple guys, two different Toms and then a Michael. Thanks. Vince Gill is the, the, the singer- Yes... that sang for the Eagles. That's really cool. Oh, Vince Gill is singing lead for them?
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Vince Gill is singing lead, which a great singer. Wow. Yeah. He's- Vince Gill, Vince Gill has, like, a voice of an angel, that guy. Yeah. He, he is in... So now you may go. Uh, n- uh- No? Okay...
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let's hit the spheres so I might go. Yeah. Uh- Joe, Josie, can I read this one more? Yeah. Uh, "You guys do you. I love hearing the variety on this show. Don't need just the picks. Best show on air. #numbersgang."
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Oh, very nice to you guys. Very nice. What, what were you gonna say? I j- just, um, s- um, DP also said Don Felder does not play with the Eagles anymore. No, that's what I mean. As of here. That's what I mean.
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So he doesn't, yeah. 'Cause they, they hate each other. Yeah.
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But, uh, I, I- And also when they came back to do their reunion, uh, uh, uh, Henley and Fry said they wanted more money than everybody else, 'cause they'd had solo careers, right?
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And so Felder was like, "Okay," well, he'd made a deal to renegotiate with them after that, and then when they came back to renegotiate, they wanted no part of renegotiation, so he was like, "Deuces."
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This is gonna be a little surprise. Yeah. Sorry, Mr. Henley. Don Henley, giant sports bettor. Come on. Giant sports bettor. How did we bury this? Probably- How did we bury this?
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I'm willing to say that probably the biggest sports bettor in all of entertainment. Yeah. Stop it. Oh, yeah. All of entertainment. Wait. Okay. Yeah. Wait a minute. Yeah. Hold, hold on.
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How did we go 30 minutes to talk about the Eagles and this just came up? Yeah, I know. So- I just something I thought of. And you know- How do you know this? There's been more- How do you know this? I just know.
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Uh, there, there's more, guys, by the way. Do you guys know, um, uh, Bruce Willis was a giant sports bettor? Yeah, keep going. Give me some names. Bruce Willis, um- Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh. Yes.
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Who was the other guy that, that was, um, that was Bruce Willis's wife, the sh- beautiful girl with the, with, with the black hair and she was- Demi Moore... who was sh- who was she married to after Bruce Willis?
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Ashton Kutcher. Yeah, that's it. He, he bats. Ashton Kutcher. Oh, you knew. Uh, him I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it, it must be- Yeah, yeah.
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I think that's a little bit- It's something in the, it's some- it must be something in the little mix there. [laughs] Yeah. 'Cause, uh, man- I li- I like how we got to Ashton Kutcher. He's like, "Who's that?"
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And then- Yeah... "Who's that?" I couldn't think of his name. I don't, I don't remember, I don't remember him dating Demi Moore. You know, there, there was a great book that was written by Michael Konik.
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Um- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah... it was, uh, they called, uh, like Billy Walters Big Daddy or something in the book. Yeah. Talking about the celebrities that were betting in the- Wait, let's go, let's go back to Don Henley...
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yeah, Don Henley. Uh, what sports are we talking about? Football Uh, NFL Fires with both hands Fires with both hands Yeah Uh, how much average game bet? Giant money. Bigger than, bigger...
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M- m- I've never even made a bet that, and, and, and at maybe his smallest bet. Is he betting through legal or illegal books? You know, I, I really, I think he was betting through legal books, though.
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He's not doing nothing illegal. Okay. But he, you know, he bets on... He was betting, like, 50, 100,000 a game. Well, now I am going to the Eagles concert. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's a sports bettor.
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[laughs] A giant sports bettor. No, he's not doing nothing wrong. Just hold- He's just betting... hold up a sign that says com- commanders plus four. [laughs] See if he reacts. Oh. [laughs] No, you'd have to go Eagles.
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In front. Just something completely, completely not connected to the concert. And you keep on showing it, keep on showing it, and he'll, at the end of the show, he'll say, "Thanks."
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I mean, what are you, what's he gonna say? No, you go front of the sign, I love the Eagles. Back of the sign, plus three and a half. No, 16 teasers minus 120. Oh, God. See what he does. Guys, I'm gonna be crying there.
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[laughs] All right. 16 teasers. [laughs] Make sure he gets on the mic, he goes, "That man with the sign, please, I'd like to see him after the show." Oh. I'm totally going. Man. Oh, man. That's how you get to Don Henley.
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I, I s- I sent Kelly a, uh, a text. Now listen, you guys know I love the Wynn. I'm a Wynn fan. I'm there every week. They're... I think it's the classiest, 'cause I just put some great videos up from them.
31:38
So these girls yesterday, I know, um, they're cocktail waitresses in town, and just so happens that yesterday the three girls were over at the, um, it's Cipriani. Now, I'm sure it's an outside company, Cipriani.
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Cipriani. Cipriani's a- Cipriani. Two things about Cipriani. Yeah. The tables are too low to the ground. Oh. Feels like you're a child when you eat there. Oh, I don't like that.
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But the, uh, the black and white of Cindy Crawford is fantastic. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, it's good to know. Yeah.
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Um, I, but yeah, so Cipriani over at, at, I, I think it's, I don't think it's even in the Wynn. I think it's in the, like, there's a mall. It's the mall. It is the mall. Yes. So it's, I'm not even gonna say Wynn here.
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Yeah. Yeah. I've never, I've never even been. I've never been there. It's a mall- No... with, like, a Earth Cafe. Earth Cafe. And a SoulCycle. Yeah. Like that kind of mall. People wearing, like- Yeah... cloth clothes.
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Yeah, yeah. I, I don't wanna be around it. So, um, but anyway. It's the anti-crack. Yeah. It's the Lululemon crowd. [laughs] So- Cloth clothes... I, I'm in the, so, and they make their own clothes.
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Uh, so I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, the girls came over to me and, and, uh, and they were like, "Crack, do you bel-" And I've known this girl for 15 years. She's like, "Do you believe this?"
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She put, like, a, a tweet, not, not a tweet, I think it was a Instagram. And she's like, "I'm in the service industry. For 15 years since I moved to town, you were the first person I met."
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I, I actually was trying to get her a job. I think I did. Um, but she said, "They charged me for an ice cube." Like, I wanted one of those big sphere-like ice cubes, those big round... You get a drink- Yeah...
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and you get a, like, one cube instead of multiple cubes. You get that one sphere type ice cube. Yeah. $8. What, what is she, what is she drinking? Just for the ice cube, $8.
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For the- Whatever, for, like, whiskey or bourbon- But even if it's whiskey... or something, yeah. Even if it's whiskey, you're charging $8 because you're freezing ice a different way? Give me a break, Cipriani.
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Give me a break. Wow. So, um. I'm in. You got me. Go ahead. Code is $8 for a cube. $8 for a cube. That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. It's insane. Gonna work on, gonna work on my Eagles concert signs.
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Timeline's up to minus 160. All right. I love that. And see if Henley stops in the middle of Hotel California. Uh-huh. See what happens. Crackman, Bill Krackomberger, @billkrackman with a K.
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Wise Crack's the name of the podcast. More with Bill on the other side. Numbers game. VSiN, the sports betting network. [upbeat music] A numbers game on VSiN, the sports betting network.
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And don't forget to check out our website, vsin.com. Best bets, betting s- uh, betting splits rather, exclusive articles, odds by state, betting tools, betting guides, uh, it's all there.
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Every sport and every bit of action you can possibly want at vsin.com. Front page of, uh, vsin.com right now, Wes Reynolds on the BMW Championship. That going well? First round going okay for you, Kelly? Yeah.
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You know what? I have not checked in yet. Adam Burke on Saratoga and Travers Stakes picks. He's got horsies he's talking about, uh, in addition to college football week zero from Adam.
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And, uh, Adam's also on NFL preseason week three. He, uh, analyzes three different ballgames. And Tyler Shoemaker on the WNBA. All of that at vsin.com. Check it out. Uh, we get tweets at Beat of the Book.
34:38
I'm gonna, I'm gonna do these live, Kelly. Uh, this is from, uh, Vegas DP. He says, uh, "James Salitis and Dr. Bob, good stuff as always on the show today." Um, yeah, both of those guys, just tremendous.
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Uh, J-Rod, um, "Bill, I like when you and Gilley discuss food, ATMs, slots, sour rooters, et cetera." [laughs] Thank you, buddy. "It's, it's fine with me," he said. Uh, Tom Collins.
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Oh, no, that, we already read the Tom Collins one. This is, oh, this is a great little underrated thing that happened on the Dr. Bob segment that we didn't have time to seize on. Rob Smith points this out.
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He says, "Hmm, Dr. Bob and Meryl Hodge kinda on the same page with Caleb Williams. Bears season win total under." I noticed that from Bob. We famously had Meryl Hodge.
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We'll play that Meryl Hodge clip at some point, where Meryl Hodge said about Caleb Williams, "Nothing special." And Bob sorta said, uh, nothing special in terms of what he did at USC in terms of being replaceable.
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Um, so that's interesting. C- uh, let's see. This is from, uh, Joe D. also, Joe C. also saying, "You guys do you." We said that one. This is from, uh, Rick Olier. "Dr. Bob and Billy crack on the same day.
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That's like opening up for Limp Bizkit at Woodstock '99." [laughs] Or was it Alanis? Who can remember what the kids are doing these days? [laughs] And, uh, and, uh, Joe C. says this about the sushi place.
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He goes, "I had a feeling the sushi spot would not be too happy with the flood of people going there. Literally only four tables, and it was full. Tough one, Gil." Well, we'll see what they say tonight.
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We'll take their temperature. Uh, on and on with the tweets. We appreciate it. And Nash, last name Nash, clarifying what you were saying, Kelly. He says, "It is a state issue.
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They've been available in Colorado this entire week." Yeah. Talking about the, uh, to make the college football playoff. So it's a state-by-state thing. Ah. Thank you, thank you, last name Nash. Thank you.
36:15
Appreciate that. Um- Appreciate all the tweets, as always. Best listeners in the game. Um, you wanted to mention something. So- But, well, before you do- Yeah, sure... Fez- Fezzik real quick also said this. The Fez man.
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The, the Fezzik with a text. He said, uh, "Love James Salinas. Uh, Gilly, take a look at that man. When are we going to the gym?" Yeah. Commenting on that James is looking great. Uh, I, I ate with James last night.
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He is eating clean. He was branzino, asparagus. He is really eating clean these days. And, uh, then he says, "Dr. Bob featured also in the Wall Street Journal, not in the Sports Betting Hall of Fame."
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Steve is very pressed about it. [laughs] Stevie is very pressed about the Sports Betting Hall of Fame. He loves saying stuff like that. He's, he's very locked into the Sports Betting Hall of Fame- [laughs]...
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and who's been snubbed, and Jason Weingarten ap- apparently very locked into why he's not part of the Friday night handicapping show with the humans.
36:59
Uh- Well, they got, they got a Fugazi Hall of Fame back, uh, back east somewhere, don't they? Like that, that, that- There is a F- there is a hall of fame. It's ridiculous. It's a hall of fame. It's ridiculous.
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You, you call it Fugazi, but it's a different hall of fame. Yes. Okay. Well, I call it the street term. [laughs] Okay. Uh, gamblingandthelaw- Yes, sir....com. Yes.
37:15
That is, uh, I, Nelson Rose, who I've had on my podcast. He was in town for BetBash, uh, last week. Uh, I missed his speech, but obviously I shouldn't have, but it's on his website. So this is a very interesting site.
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The title of the article is How Not to Get Arrested, and that's what he talked about at the show. And, uh, I, I find this really interesting how he s- how he says, "You just want to be a bettor.
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For professional bettors, there are things to remember.
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Law enforcement does not care about you, even if you're in a state where betting is illegal, unless they think you're connected with organized crime or you're not paying your taxes or pulling a commercial scam on the public.
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They make the mist- Now, they do make mistakes. It happened in Texas recently. They, they arrested a Texas, they arrested a bettor, and they com- you know, seized his computers.
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The cops thought he was a bookie, and of course, he wasn't." That's happened to multiple people here that we know, and, uh, multiple people, people that were at BetBash. They weren't even bookmakers.
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They were just bettors. Is that because cops just don't understand the difference? They don't understand. They don't know 11 to 10. They think it- Yeah... they don't realize a lot of the...
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And, and they don't know the laws sometimes. Yeah. You know, they really don't. They're just going in there, you know, Keystone Cops sometimes, so- But what he's saying is right in general.
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C- Law enforcement does not care about the bettor. Right. They care about the facilitator of the bets.
38:29
There's also some states I found here, and it's on the article, like Minnesota, which will not allow gamblers to deduct their losses from their winnings. What? This is unbelievable. What?
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So you're paying taxes on wins only, even if you lose for the year? Uh, but, but anyway, so now listen, I, h- here's another one. "You want to just be a sports bettor. To be, to be exact, you want to be a mere bettor.
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If you provide services that are necessary or helpful for the gambling o- for, for a gambling operation, as courts warn, you fall outside the sanctuary of bettordom." Now, I have to tell you- Bettordom...
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when you, when you read this more and more, and, and, and literally I... The Wire Act applies to anyone in the business of gambling who sends information useful in making of bets across state lines.
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So that means if I'm texting you across a state line and talking, "Hey, Circa has this line. Oh, you're where DraftKings is. Ah, DraftKings has plus three. You should grab it there." Yeah, that's illegal.
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I'm breaking a law. Yeah, that's technically illegal. Yeah. Well then, how about the 25,000 got people that sell games and text out- Whoa... o- over a state line? Like, it- It's, it's totally a gray...
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I- if they ever chose, to, to your original point- Yeah... if anyone in law enforcement ever chose to make a thing about it, then it could be an issue, right? But it's like, it's such a...
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You're right, technically speaking though, it could be enforced. Like, like I have two, I have two partners on my sites. Yeah.
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They're very, very educa- Yale educated lawyer and, and a UCLA educated lawyer, very smart lawyers. And you know, we had a text service we were thinking about, and they said, "No, we don't wanna do that."
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Now I realize why. Yeah. Instead, we're going to do an app with app notifications. Like, I, I just can't believe that, that, uh, we just talk about bets over state lines, we're actually breaking laws.
40:22
This is a great article. I am going to, uh, retweet this article. I'm gonna re- actually tweet this article from Nelson Rose. I thought it was really good. Um, did you hear about this?
40:31
Jack Larkin from Sport Trade, uh, text, uh, tweeted this to me yesterday, said, "Have you seen this stuff out of Colorado, where wagering on the no side- Oh my gosh, yeah...
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of player home run or player anytime touchdown scores is now banned?" Sick. "Not that all places are offering no side in the first place," he points out, "but will surely lead to worse pricing on the yes market wide."
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And I responded, 'cause I didn't know anything about it. I go, "Banned by gaming?" He goes, "Yep, banned effective immediately by the Colorado Division of Gaming." Yeah. What? I caught a little bit of this yesterday.
41:02
It just sounds like, it sounds like more, it sounds like gaming being scared by Ja'onte Porter stuff. Mm. That you don't wanna be able to bet nos.
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Although, I, I saw someone point out that there's like, you know, you have a yes, no on a home run option, right?
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Yes, no, but there's also over under on a half a home run, and they're still hanging under on a half a home run. It's, it's- Yeah. I mean, if you think about some of the gaming boards, now not Colorado.
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Colorado's been around for a while, but if you think about some of the gaming boards around the country that have casinos, now they're being, uh, forced to in- uh, to police sports betting.
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Uh, like I always say about, a lot of them don't even know what 11 to 10 means. Now you wanna get deeper and talk about props and diff- It's, it's, it's just gaming people, um, just don't know the business.
41:48
All of the gaming boards just don't know the business of sports betting. Well, this was the panel that I, that I moderated- Oh... that Spanky was- There, there you go... kind enough to have me moderate. Yeah.
41:56
There, there was, you know, there was a young lady on there who used to be in gaming in Pennsylvania, and her, she was very open about the fact that people in gaming boards are not knowledgeable about the industry. Wow.
42:09
And so there's like this- Yeah... education process. I'm like, "Well, how does that make any sense?" They're policing it. I mean, they're- That doesn't make any sense. By the way, Rufus was on here.
42:16
Rufus was saying he went to something, um, and a gaming official, he said the event was great, but after, after the talk, Rufus talked to them, one of the gaming officials went up to him and said, "Oh, I've never met a pro bettor before.
42:31
I had no idea that, that you guys get banned." Rufus told us that on the Numbers Game Wow. That's amazing. Uh, can I just say this last- w- we have a trade that happened in the NFL.
42:39
It's not gonna move any betting lines, but it does involve two division teams making a trade. I'm pretty surprised by this. The Eagles have agreed to terms on a trade with the Commodores, the Washington Commodores. Um,
42:52
Washington sending Jahan Dotson, uh, to Philadelphia. Philly's gonna send a third round pick and two sevenths next year's draft to DC for Dotson and a 2025 fifth rounder in the other direction.
43:05
Now, again, it's not gonna move any betting lines, but it's curious that it's two division teams making a trade. Yeah.
43:10
And Washington trading Jahan Dotson, who was just a-- I mean, Jahan Dotson was their- Was their second best-... was their former first round pick, uh, just a couple years ago. Uh- Their second best wide receiver. Right.
43:23
So y- it's interesting because now, I mean, the incomparable Terry McLaurin, of course, who's never had anybody decent throw him a football, imagine what he can do now with, uh, Jayden Daniels. That's gonna be awesome.
43:33
But who's your number two now in DC? D'Amic Brown? Yeah, I mean, it's gotta be him by default. By default. So, so in the past 24 hours, the Commanders have traded- Jahan Dotson. They've signed Martavis Bryant...
43:48
and then traded, traded for a kicker. Traded for a kicker. Cade York. They got Cade York from the Browns. Yeah. All right.
43:54
Yeah, Martavis Bryant was at least a few days ago, but man, we're getting close to the season, someone let Washington know.
44:00
[laughs] It's gonna, it's gonna be interesting to see, uh, how much run Luke McCaffrey gets in that offense as well, Christian's brother. But that's an interesting trade. And then the Eagles,
44:09
yeah, he w- he went to Penn State, that's not exactly Philadelphia, but he goes back to Pennsylvania anyway, Jahan Dotson does, where he had great collegiate success. Crack, thank you. Thanks for having me on, guys.
44:18
Bill Krackomberger, @billkrackman with a qu- with a K. Wise Cracks is the name of the podcast. Appreciate, uh, all the, uh, feedback. Thanks for listening. We've done all we can do. Best Bets is next.
44:29
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