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Feb 27, 2025
A Numbers Game | February 27, 2025 | Hour 2
A Numbers Game | February 27, 2025 | Hour 2
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0:01
The numbers told the story. They always do. You're one of those idiots who believe in analytics? This is a Numbers Game with Gil Alexander on VSiN.
0:08
Hour number two of a Numbers Game at VSiN, the e-sports betting network, vsin.com, Game Plus. Standard, Kelly Midlan alongside as well. Bill Krackenberger about to happen. First, we get tweets that made me the book.
0:19
I'll just read a few 'cause everybody wants to get to, uh, to crack.
0:21
DGen Southern Gent, "The quiet, cocky confidence of Adam Burke [laughs] as he said he'd let you know which restaurant he'd pick when he won the Guardian's dinner bet.
0:29
Doesn't surprise me from a guy whose Twitter handle is Skating Tripods." Yes, that's correct. Brosek1870, "NFL hates technology. They still using seven, uh, 20 perimeter cameras for Fox games and 1080 for CBS.
0:42
The owners aren't willing to pony up to even upgrade the cameras."
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And Ryan Hyatt, "Casino operators and sportsbook directors all checking their phones right now, getting the, uh, alert that Crack is about to be on ANG with Gil.
0:55
There's probably several underground pools out there amongst them to see if they," and he continues on, I don't know what he says, like, [laughs] "If they can guess who he's got his sights on this week for severe knuckleheadedness."
1:05
Well, no time to lose. Let's find out unscripted with the Crack man, Bill Krackenberger. [upbeat music] All right. Hit it, hit it. What's happening, man?
1:24
Good morning. Yeah, just a couple things. Uh, the great Gene Hackman, terrible. What, okay, for those who missed this this morning- Yeah... w- the only report I heard before we got here was
1:38
h- Gene Hackman, famous, of course, actor, and beloved by- Popeye Doyle... in so many films. Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor, right, amongst, amongst his, uh, characters played, that he, his wife, and their dog- Yeah...
1:52
both found dead- Yeah... or all found dead. Yeah, carbon monoxide. Carbon, that's the, that's the word? And that's terrible, isn't it? Wow.
1:59
Legendary actor, 95 years old, out doing his lawn, and he's doing it, and he's active. They seen him, uh, uh, carbon monoxide poisoning. So while they were all asleep, in other words, is the assumption, I guess.
2:10
Yeah, when they were all sleeping. Well, wow. Isn't that terrible? That just really- Wow...
2:14
really bothered me that, uh, that, that that's the way to go in, uh, you know, your retirement of your life down in Arizona, living the,
2:21
you know, good life and, uh, you know, it's something that's amazing that still goes on. You know, you have to just make- I-... sure, older houses and stuff, you have to make... And his, his house wasn't even old.
2:30
It was, you know, 2020 I think it said his house was, uh, built, so. 95 years old. 95. Um- Right...
2:40
95 years old, as, uh, deputies responded to a welfare check request at the home around 1:45 PM yesterday, found Hackman, uh, his wife, uh, who, uh, whose last name is Arakawa, and their dog deceased. Wow. Yeah.
2:53
Investigation, uh, as you said, is, uh, is taking place.
2:58
Obviously, uh, such films as The French Connection, Hoosiers, for those of us who are sports fans, of course, Unforgiven, and The Firm, among the others that- Oh, yeah... star- Young Frankenstein. I mean, so many films.
3:07
He was, he was alwa- he, he, like Michael Douglas, always chose great films to be in. Just, just a great, great- Yeah...
3:16
uh, arsenal of films and, you know, we all will remember when we're kids, you know, it's funny, I don't watch any of those type of movies now. I, you couldn't drag me to a movie theater in general.
3:25
I was gonna go see the Led Zeppelin one. I didn't even go see that. I figured I'll wait till that comes out. But, uh, uh, they're all, like, Marvel and, and superhero movies.
3:34
I, you know, I, I just don't s- but yet when I was a kid, I, I, I was, loved Superman. I loved- Yeah... Christopher Reeve. It was like 1979, 1980, you know. Oh.
3:42
I was a little kid and, um, and, and, of course, Gene Hackman, we hated him, you know, as Lex Luthor. He was just a, such a, a, a con man and a BS-er and- He was so great... he was so good in the- Yeah...
3:53
[laughs] in the movie, but, um, probably Popeye Doyle in French Connection was probably my favorite role for him. But yeah, so I seen that and it kind of, it kind of upset me. Yeah.
4:03
But, um- Tough way to wake up this morning hearing that, yeah. Yeah. No, I, I actually just looked him up about six months ago too. He retired, he just retired from acting. Just retired. Yeah. I mean, he's 95. 95, yeah.
4:13
Yeah. Goodness. Yeah. And, and that's, that's a shame that that's the way you have to die. It's r- really, really, really a shame. Um, but anyway- How have you, how have you been otherwise?
4:22
A couple weeks- A little artful transition from that, but how you been? Yeah, a couple weeks away from, uh, the show, like yourself, of course. Yeah.
4:29
Um, didn't really go anywhere, but, uh, I, I was supposed to go away for a little bit, but I didn't. I'm, I'm actually gonna be going next week, but I'm, I'll be on here next week. As long as you're here, I'm here.
4:39
Can, can I tell you what, uh, so I, I went away, as you know, for a couple weeks, and I, I haven't told this story yet because it, it's just a, I, I was saving it for you because I know how much you appreciate how absolutely insane human beings are.
4:50
Yes. So you used to live where I live currently. Yeah, correct. Um, it's a couple buildings in the middle of the strip. There's a, we share- Luxury high-rise, very nice... and we share, and the two- Yeah...
4:59
and the two towers share a parking- Yes... area. Yes. And it's, it's valet mandatory. And, and they mostly, they take your cars in the back, but there's a, uh, series of parking spaces right there by- Yes...
5:10
both buildings' doors, as you know. Yeah. About seven to eight parking spaces. Sure. And there was this massive classic car that was parked out there for several days.
5:19
I, I'm not a car buff, so I can't tell you exactly what brand, what, uh- Sure... make it was. Maybe it was an Impala, I have no idea. Anyway, it was out there, and right as I was leaving, so I l- I did my show on Friday.
5:28
I race home, this is two weeks back, right after, oh, excuse me, it was Monday, the Monday right after the Super Bowl.
5:33
Race back, 'cause I gotta catch my flight, so I'm like, I gotta park, you know, I give 'em my car, say, "I'm coming right back down," leave my car.
5:38
From the time, the brief time that I went upstairs and then downstairs, I came downstairs and someone had taken some kind of weapon to that classic car- Oh, no... and bashed the living crap out of it. Wow.
5:54
There was glass everywhere. So I'm looking at this thing. I, now, at this point I'm waiting for my Uber. I'm like, I'm looking at the valet guys. I'm like, "What happened?" They're all stone-faced.
6:03
Like, they can't, they can't even imagine what just happened to them. And- But there's cameras there... there's cameras everywhere. Yeah, where were they at? So I gotta get the story 'cause I had to go.
6:10
So I came back and I'm like, "Okay, guys, you gotta tell me what happened here." So some dude who lived in the building, who apparently was off his meds- decided that this car bothered him- Yeah... being parked there.
6:22
Yeah. And he kept telling the valet guys, and the valet guys are like, "What are you talking about? Why should we move it? Like, it's, uh, it's what his business is." Yeah. "Move this car. Move this car."
6:30
And finally, he lost it- Wow... and he went crazy on this car. Immediately expelled from the building, cops are there.
6:36
Uh, and the guy that, who owned the car, they said is one of these cool characters who just sort of saw his car, said nothing, just shook his head. And they say, "This is the last guy on Earth you wanna mess with.
6:49
He's going to sue the [laughs] living bejesus out of this person." Wow. But this is, like, the stuff that happens here- Yeah... in your midst, like, right as you're, you know, as you're going about your day.
6:59
And I, I appreciate this about you 'cause you're always like, "People have lost their minds." This was the ultimate thing. He's a young lawyer, this guy, who was, who was the per- the perpetrator. Unbelievable.
7:08
Guy in his 30s. Yeah. No, there, there, there are... Listen, this is a town that's very different, unlike other towns in America.
7:15
Now, there is some towns, I'm not saying we're obscure, maybe Miami, maybe certain areas in LA, New York, certain areas, people are off their rocker, you know? And, and now- Right... you, what you're saying now,
7:27
now, um, you're, uh, let's just call it what it is. There's only a couple of these luxury type of buildings in town. There's about six of them. I've lived in two of them, and they're, they're very good for security.
7:38
They have a doorman. I, I, I'm, I have a guard gate. I have a f- doorman you have to get by. I have a certain key code.
7:44
There, you pay for that in, in as far as association fees and stuff, and ridiculous amounts of money.
7:50
But that's also gonna bring a class of people that are trust fund babies, that are people that are used to getting their way, or pe-...
7:58
You know, if you could pay for that spot, when I was there, I was there 15 years ago and, or whenever it opened, whenever it opened, 13 years ago, and I used to just pay. I paid $300 to leave my car right there.
8:09
It's $300 a month. Oh, up front you used to pay. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that, that, that was the going rate for that couple... It was, like, the last two months, I think I gave them thir- 300 bucks a month.
8:16
And I just want my car there when I'm ready. Time is money because at the time- Yeah... don't forget, there wasn't, there was only an app or two, maybe not even app, so I have to get to my car.
8:25
That'll save me more money than giving them the $300 a month. I'll make more because of the time is money. So that was for me.
8:31
But a lot of these people, they just do it 'cause they have that kind of money and they just, you know, say, "Hey, I'm paying for that space," and this is this lawyer- And so that's where he planted his car, yeah...
8:38
this lawyer did not like, sounds like. That's what business of, was, was it of his. By the way, so I asked the valet guys. Yeah.
8:44
By the way, these, these valets are nice enough to have my car waiting for me every morning before work, and I don't pay anything. Wow, that's, that's good. But the, uh- But you tip them, though... I tip them, though.
8:52
I- Yeah... the, the, so they, I asked [laughs] the valet guys, I'm like, "Wait a minute." So he was just going to town on this car, broad daylight- Right... in front of...
9:00
And remember, nothing good happens in broad daylight. It's always bad when you use that phrase. You just, you all just, like, watched him do it, and no one tried to intervene.
9:07
[laughs] I'm thinking, like, someone should... They're like, "Dude, do, would you have intervened?" [laughs] Like, they just watched it in horror. I was wondering, and then they asked you, did they, was someone there?
9:14
They watched it in horror- Wow... 'cause they're like, "What are we gonna do, get in front of this crazy man?" Yeah. Maybe he's got a gun. You don't know. Yeah, you don't know. You know? You have no idea at that point.
9:20
Um, I, I, I will tell you, I said it on my podcast yesterday, we live in a, if considering these situations, we live in a pretty safe town. You know, I'm tough on the town- Yes... in a lot of spots. We do.
9:30
I wanna tell you something. We live in a town where in a second you can call a cop and they're, they're there. Oh, dude. They're all over the Strip. Come, come. Right where, you know, where we both are.
9:38
We live in a pretty safe town. Our police do a pretty good job at, at making us feel safe. 100%. 100%. Um, like I said- Compared to where I live in San Francisco, are you kidding me?
9:48
Well, I, I don't really wanna say on air what I think of that area, but okay. No. Um, you know- Yeah... it, it just, just to be real blunt, though, like I said, I'm very tough. I'm tough on security in casinos, too.
9:59
I really am. 'Cause I, I've had some problems with security where I was trying to break up fights between people and they, they threw me out. [laughs] I was just trying to help people.
10:07
That happened twice in Atlantic City. Now, of course, over there, I mean, it's a sewer. But, um, uh, uh, let me just tell you, Vegas, we're, for, there's casinos here that really don't take too much stuff.
10:18
They're told- Yeah... not to take too much stuff here, some of the security staffs. You know, there's nothing worse than being in, like, resorts in Atlantic City and me calling a secure...
10:28
And nothing against seniors or anything. I love them. Them, you know, a, a, a 5'2", 75-year-old security guy, "Yeah, what do you need?" [laughs] "I need someone to help break up a fight. Can you please send someone?"
10:39
Thank you. [laughs] And then they send the 68-year-old guy over. And I'm not making fun of people. Yeah. I'm just saying. Here they got some young bucks ready to- Yeah, they do...
10:45
you know, they, they're, they're, they're gonna stop. They're gonna pay extra money here. I know the Wynn and some of these casinos on the Strip, they pay extra money to have some, they're ready for it.
10:53
Especially places with clubs. That if you have a club or something, you're, you should man yourself.
10:58
You should pay those guys 25 bucks an hour or more to have security on staff, getting ready to break up fights in all these certain clubs.
11:06
Like, you know, if you have, like, four clubs, three clubs like Cosmo or Wynn, you better have some good security that knows what they're doing and, and can handle things and know the laws, too. I didn't, I was rude.
11:16
How did you do in the Super Bowl? You did okay? You had a winning Super Bowl, losing Super Bowl? Had Kansas City. I needed them. I hedged some back with Philadelphia with the points. But however, props was great.
11:25
One of my best years on props. Nice. Did really good on the prop bets. All right. Yeah. Um- Really happy with that... Bill Krackenberger, everybody, @billcrackman with a K on Twitter.
11:35
Uh, of course, the name of his podcast is Wisecracks with John Orlando. And B- I would say Wisecracks, I said? Wise Guys. Yeah. No, Wisecracks is- Wisecracks, right. I'm sorry. Wisecracks.
11:43
Yeah, John and Randy McKay this, this week. Coming back. [upbeat music]A numbers game on VSiN, the sports betting network VSiN fans, it's time to plan your Vegas getaway.
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12:26
Best listeners in the game. Will Hill, our own Will Hill, uh, first Crack episode since pre-Super Bowl. Let's go. Love this hour. My man. Uh, cancer-free from stage four NHL since May 2nd.
12:38
He's got a long, uh, Twitter handle. He's been around a long time, that guy. But is cancer-free. Beat cancer in 2019. Thank God. Um, absolutely, thank God. He tweets in, uh, there, wait, I just lost it now.
12:48
He tweeted in, uh, "Does/should Kelly only get half of his daily pay on Thursday?
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Knowing this day already has standing guests, uh, Zach Cohen and Kraken Burger, Kelly's only real job is getting Crack some water, something he fails to do more often than not." How does that guy even know that? Wow.
13:05
No, how, how does he actually know that I did ask Kelly for water today? Shots fired. [laughs] I know where the mics are. Like, how, how... That's impossible. That's wow. Maybe- That's pretty good...
13:13
maybe it's from inside the house. Yeah. Do you remember that movie? Maybe, maybe it's from inside the house. Oh, yeah. Wise Guys Wagers, "Gene Hackman was great as Little Bill in Unforgiven." Ooh, Unforgiven.
13:20
That was a great character. Cracked it. Uh, The Better Life, Tim Lawson, "Pretty excited," [laughs] this is a great tweet, "Pretty excited for my leisurely stroll I'll take later in broad daylight."
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Yeah, no, you don't wanna take a leisurely stroll in broad daylight. Nothing good happens. Uh, Jason Ice Cold Gambler, "Nothing better than listening to Bill and Gil while on a flight.
13:37
Thanks for making this flight quick for me, guys." Wow. Oh, yeah, I love that, uh, when flights are made quicker myself. You, thank you so much for that, uh, tweet. Travel safely.
13:46
Uh, I wanna, your Twitter feed, @BillCrackman with a K, is always, uh, entertaining.
13:51
You tweeted out something, "Guy," this is fascinating to me, "Guy wins $57,000 on a slot machine, and casino does not pay because he self-excluded himself from playing with the casino years earlier. So many questions.
14:07
Why was he playing there? Does he get the money back that he lost all these times he was self-excluded? Who gets the money that he won? The state?" Question after question. Yeah. This is fascinating because,
14:20
first of all, we'll get to your questions, because I am als- I also have these questions.
14:23
When we used to be owned by DraftKings, those of us who, who work here at VSiN, a part of, a part of working for a public company, and DraftKings was super vigilant with this, is you had to t- you had to spend an inordinate amount of time, uh, doing compliance stuff, right?
14:40
Taking all these kinds of surveys and quizzes so that you were compliant, and all of DraftKings employees as a public company was compliant with all gaming laws.
14:49
And one of the things we learned, for those of us who didn't cheat, uh, on doing these [laughs] and just pass the test around, one of the things we learned is that in z- in a jurisdiction like New Jersey, and maybe el- other places, I'm sure there is other places, maybe everywhere for all I know, that as part of a,
15:04
a self-reporting gambling addiction thing, right? Uh, keep in mind, this is, like, the companies enforcing this when they're actually predatory in their own way. That's a whole 'nother discussion.
15:16
But part of the thing for, for problem gamblers, as a self-defense mechanism from your problem, you can report yourself as, what's the, uh, terminology here that, that you're using? Self-exclude.
15:29
S- you can ex- you can self-exclude. That's exactly right. Self-exclude. So that's the origin of what this is. Now, you- Nobody knows you guys went through this. You just said it for the first time. Oh, yeah, yeah.
15:40
Well, it's like- I can't believe you went through all that. Oh, yeah. We, we, um- Wow... I mean, if Kelly was here I would ask him, how many hours endlessly w- by the way, excuse me, I just spat out, I was so emotional.
15:48
Every, it would happen every three months, right? It was an endless torrent. By the way, it's a public company, so it, it had, they had to do this. And we as employees- Hmm... had to do this stuff.
15:58
So you learn stuff behind the scenes, and so they have the self-exclusion part is for problem gamblers. But your questions are very valid.
16:04
Why was this person who had self-excluded gambling then there in the first place, knowing, or maybe he didn't know, that if he won, he wasn't gonna get it 'cause you self-excluded.
16:17
So why were you there in the first place? How can you even play something with a jackpot that has 57,000, like, I don't know if it was a bad beat jackpot.
16:23
I think it was a, a g- I, I believe it was a, a poker, what, what's that called? I think they call it, it's called a bad beat when you get h- half the money with a hand or something.
16:33
I think he wasn't playing a slot machine. Um, I think he was actually playing a poker game where he actually hit the bad beat and, um, I believe, I'm not 100% positive, but even, what are you doing in the casino? Oh.
16:45
You could play anywhere. There's poker all over the place. Why, why are you playing there?
16:49
And- Pa- part of me has sympathy, but then part of me kinda doesn't I'm telling you, half the people actually said, no, that, that's the way it should be. Yeah. The guy self-excluded himself. He self-excluded.
16:56
So it wasn't just- Well, wh-... people sticking up for the... Now me, listen, I have the side of the player most of the time. So, um, me personally, I was thinking, all right, listen, the, the guy self-excluded.
17:07
Just, you know, maybe give it, give him the money or, and I, I, you know, just make sure- [laughs]... he knows, or, you know, give it to a charity or something.
17:13
Not, not on- not only did they not do any of that stuff- Yeah, give it to a charity- Yeah... would've been the proper thing to do. They, they- Correct. But we're talking about casinos They fined him. They cited him.
17:23
[laughs] So bad. Not, not only did he g- not get the money- So bad... they fined him and cited him and for, for- For, for trespassing himself... for, yeah. Yeah. Okay. You could've waived that, right? Yeah. Yeah.
17:32
Like, you could've not done that part. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's so messed up. It's, uh, it, it, it, it's funny because my co-host John Orlando had that happen to him on, at poker in California.
17:42
He got into a fight, someone threw a chip at him, and, um, he got into a fight. [laughs] Someone threw a chip at him.
17:47
And the guy, you know, he beat someone in the hand and someone threw a chip at his fa- hit him right in the head. Uh-huh.
17:51
And he got into a fight and, and here we are three, four years later, he still can't get back in, all these years later, where in Nevada, Randy- If someone threw a chip at him, he can't get back in? Yes. Oh, my God.
18:00
And, and, and he went after, after the guy. And, um- Uh, not, not that he's that much of a tough guy, but, uh, that's, that's just your initial reaction is, you know, poker is such a brutal sport.
18:09
I mean, you know- [laughs] It, it really is- It's a contact sport... contact sport. Um- But, um, so Randy was saying in, in, in Nevada, I didn't even know this, they cannot do that no more.
18:18
You, you go, you only get two years, so f- after two years they have to- Oh, you're allowed back in. Well, they have to either allow you back in or they have to trespass you again. So I didn't realize that- Oh...
18:28
it was every two years.
18:29
Well, yeah, this is, this is not related, but it kind of is related because, you know, I was, as I was telling that story about the, uh, the self-exclusion part is that, you know, these casinos are still these, these operators I should call them, sportsbook operators, who, you know, and, and, and casino operators who are, you know, you have to be, "Oh, you're self-excluded.
18:48
Sorry, you can't win this jackpot," which on the one hand, okay, he's self-excluded, but the fact that they still went ahead with the fine, you know?
18:54
They're also, let's go back to sportsbook specifically here, this sadly doesn't surprise any of us, but I wanna throw up this tweet. Um, and this is, Bill, I know this is gonna resonate with you. Okay.
19:05
This is from Ryan Butler at Butler Bets. "Parlays are the single most critical revenue generator for sportsbooks. ESPN Bet announced today parlays had increased to just over 30% of its handle in January 2025.
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FanDuel, the US national market leader, saw 50% of its pre-match handle coming from parlays as of September 2024." That's nice. 50%.
19:36
And of course they're actively marketing same game parlays as, "Oh, you like these parlays? Here's a new vehicle we've created to make this even worse for you." You know- This is terrible...
19:46
I wanna tell you, though, I, I kinda knew that this was the norm. I thought, I thought it was- What do we know? But we didn't... Did you know 50%? I didn't know 50%.
19:52
I, I, I did because I seen it in a report, um, a few months ago. I was like, "Wow," a- a- and, and the amount of people that bet parlays, I probably didn't realize it.
20:01
And you think about it, so these kids are new still, even though it's eight years in here. Are we eight years? I think we're eight years in.
20:07
It's still pretty new to people, you know, that are, that are 16, 17, 18, now they're 20, 21. Now they're of age. Not that they weren't- It's six and a half years in, yeah. It's- It, okay.
20:16
Not that they weren't betting, uh, listen, like we were as kids. Everyone's betting as kids. Don't let no one kid you. Kids are betting on all of these apps, so don't, don't let no one kid you.
20:26
Um, that, that's just what it is. It's in their parents' name and they think it's harmless fun and get the kids, you know, out of my hair and, you know, people can't handle kids. You know, imagine, you know, literally,
20:37
you know, 25, 50 years ago when they had, you know, six, seven, eight kids, now they have two kids, they can't handle them. Throw them a DraftKings account, here you go.
20:43
Um, but you know, it, it just is, it's this hard to fathom, but yet it's not because of the way that all of these books market themselves on social media saying, "Hey, look at this guy.
20:56
This guy hit us today with a $20 parlay, paid $67,000." And these kids, "Well, I ha- I have $20. I can do this. If they can do it, let me try it." And then God forbid you hit something, then you're hooked for life.
21:08
Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, even if you hit a smaller one, you're chase- You're chasing, you're chasing that high... you're chasing that high. Yeah.
21:12
L- l- literally like a, like someone that did heroin for the first time, chasing that unbelievable high, you're chasing it for the rest of your life and eventually you'll die from it.
21:21
There are three reasons to play parlays. Three. One, um, is if they're correlated, right? If they're correlated, that is a reason to play parlays. Two, if you are trying to circumvent limits in a creative way. Very good.
21:37
Parlays is one. And then the third is, if you wanna throw books off the scent, you throw in parlays just to sort of give the impression, "Hey, look, I play so many parlays. Don't look here." Right.
21:49
"You don't wanna get rid of my account." That's, those are the three reasons. Very good. Those are the three reasons. Very good. The second one, um, w- for me, now I'm not saying I didn't play parlays, but I, I don't...
21:58
In play, I play them with the intent of having an, a mathematical edge, betting maybe overnight round-robin college basketball parlays and stuff that I knew it was gonna move the next day to be in my favor.
22:09
Therefore, I would circumvent a limit. They wouldn't even move the, the games off the parlay, but the next day they would all be a couple points in my favor, and that makes the parlay in my favor.
22:18
However, I don't even tell people that normally. We're talking about it- Right... I'll tell them 'cause I don't want them to think I play parlays.
22:23
Right, 'cause the same thing you just talked about, uh, my, my one exception would be in tennis. I do that same thing. Right. Right? But n- my, I never do football or basketball or anything like that.
22:31
I almost throw the white towel in, though. Everyone's betting parlays, guys. I, there's nothing I can do. They get mad at me sometimes, so. 50%, 50%. 50%. More with the Crack Man, Bill Krackenberger.
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Man, 9.99 for that right off the bat, absolutely would take advantage of that. Uh, it's Gil Alexander. We get tweets at Beating the Book here on the Numbers Game, always appreciated.
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Todd Bubba Horwitz, uh, our buddy who, uh, we hope to get on the show here soon, he says, "Bad Beat Jackpot, he should really not be excluded," talking about the guy we were talking about earlier here, "because the casino takes a rake and has no interest in who wins.
23:48
Poker is a game of skill." Todd, as we're about to find out, it wasn't poker. The man played a slot machine. Unbelievable. We just read about it. Slot machine.
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Let me get a little bit, let me read the rest of these and we'll get to that. WD, uh, WD40 plus, hey, there you go. I'm rocking you. "I can just hear that old lady from Silver Lining Playbook, 'No parlay, no parlay.'"
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Matt Grissom, "Listening to Bill and Gil talk about parlays. 100% agree on Gil's rule of three.
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Much like tennis, oftentimes college baseball prices are too rich to lay, so I'll parlay a couple of the favorites to get a better number and throw off the scent of being limited."
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Norman Vegas, "A Gene Hackman film people rarely mention is The Conversation." Yes. "He's fabulous in that movie- Very good... which also stars John Cazale, who played Fredo, uh, in The Godfather- Very good...
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and Harrison Ford. Fredo, of course. Um- Okay, we'll move on to, uh... I, I just wanna r- w- uh, let's follow up on this, 'cause Kelly was kind enough to, uh, send us [laughs] you know- Yeah... words.
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I just- I knew it happened in Parx Casino, which is not one of my favorites anyway. It was in Pennsylvania. Yeah, they sweat- Yeah... the money bad. They beg- And, but I don't know why.
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They're m- making billions of dollars there, but, um, yeah, so, so they... I'm reading the article here. Parx Casino, and, uh, you know, I, I, I don't know, this guy, where is he? He might've been from this...
25:00
He might even be from South Philly, so I'm surprised he don't cause an uproar there. They're tough guys over there. But yeah, I'm reading the, the whole thing. H- how can you play the machine with a $57,000 jackpot?
25:11
How, what- For, for those who are just tuning in, we're talking about a guy who self-excluded, uh, self-excluded from g- from gambling, and self-exclusion is something that is both involuntary and voluntary.
25:24
His was a voluntary selection to be self-excluded. It is a means to prevent, uh, y- or to counteract one's problem gambling. Yeah. So he goes into a casino. He plays a slot machine.
25:36
First of all, he shouldn't be in the casino. Somehow he slithers in, which by the way, talk about an addiction. He's like, "I'm self-excluded. I've gotta play the slot machine."
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And he wins 57K, and he doesn't get any of the money 'cause he self-excluded. Yeah, and you know, now I'm reading, someone sent me a second article, and y- you know, uh, this actually says a guy's name.
25:53
I don't know if that could be true, though. Well, let's just, uh, I'll call him Joey Gabagool. [laughs] All right? 'Cause- Yeah, why don't you, why don't you go with Joey Gabagool?
25:59
Yeah, no, but I mean, th- this, this, uh, j- this is amazing even- Joey Gabagool... even reading this. Yeah. Um, yeah, this guy was really mad. He caused an uproar.
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He called the police, according to this article, called the police and wouldn't- 'Cause he, 'cause he, he wouldn't get the jackpot... wouldn't leave the casino, caused an uproar. He's like, "I want my money." Yeah.
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[laughs] He wouldn't- [laughs] I want my money... um, anyway. Now, you know what else is not, uh, is pending, though? They don't know if Gaming is going to go after the casino- Ooh... fine the casino. Interesting.
26:24
How'd he get into your casino then- Yeah... if you're self-excluded? Yeah, yeah. We'll see if that happens. And you're wondering if the guy used a card,
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I'll tell you what, if he used a card, I wish I'd see an article on that- Yeah... he has a lawsuit, because that card shouldn't even have been accepted. That's right, and if it's accepted, that's on them.
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I'm telling you that they- Someone will make that case... may have, if, if he used a card. Yeah.
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If he used a card, um- Or just everybody's negligent and- But y- you know, you're w- if you're with somebody, why don't you just tell him to jump on the machine?
26:52
I understand the cameras maybe look a, look back at it anyway, but, uh, there's, there's just, you know, just seeing this stuff and- Sounds, sounds like he needs to be self-excluded, though.
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Like, he did the right thing- Yeah... back when he self-excluded. Yeah. 'Cause it's like, really? This was like you, you know that you're this and you still went in that casino? Yeah. And you couldn't...
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This was your form of entertainment? You couldn't think of anything else? Gabagool. Come on, Gabagool. Gabagool. [laughs] What are you doing?
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Uh, you know, I wanna tell you, I'll talk about a little bit, now that I'm thinking about this, and I know someone else that was m- uh, arrested at a Harrah's Casino in, boy, it's right by the airport.
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Someone'll put it on Twitter. There's a, there's a, there's a Harrah's by the Philadelphia airport. Chester, I think it's either Chester or West Chester. And, um,
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he had a bunch of cards he was putting in, getting people's cash back, and he was using a card, getting their cash back, running the money through, pulling the next card out, getting their cash back, putting the money through.
27:45
So, listen, I, I understand. It's called card building. Boy, a lot of the Advantage Slot guys are like, "You're not gonna talk about card building, are you?"
27:54
Card building, in other words, Gil Alexander, I take you to a casino here in town that has a promotion, and it's a $1,000 sign-up, but you have to run, you know, 25,000 through the machine, which by the way sounds like a lot.
28:04
It's really not if it's video poker. Your, your feel on that, your loss should be about 250 bucks, but so the thousand would be an advantage.
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But you don't wanna take that risk, so I will take the risk with my bankroll, let's say, and, and, and play, put the 25,000 through, and I'm building up.
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Now, now you have a card in your name, which you never played there before. Now I go to, you know, your friend, your cousin, your uncle, your aunt, whatever it may be.
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Now I'm card building for all these different people. What happens is the bounce-back cash, the offers you get on, in the future, you know, we split or I give you a piece of that. You just give me...
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I just have the player cards, I have your PIN number, and I'm building your card, and I'm playing under your name, which is really frowned upon now more than ever.
28:45
You're, you're scaling your business is what you're doing. Yeah, it's card building, and then that- Yeah... and that's, that happens. I mean, it, it does. I have a couple buddies that, that are my friends.
28:54
Uh, literally I could pull my bag out right now and probably shock you. Like, uh- Show and tell, ladies and gentlemen...
29:00
no, I'm just saying, like I, the more I think about it, like I have a stack, and this is not even a full stack of cards, but I have some cards here, and they're not all mine.
29:09
Now, I'm not saying I'm doing anything illegal- [laughs]... but they're not all mine. Show 'em that stack, Bill. Look at that. But I- Look at that thing... I will...
29:15
No, I, I probably have about 50 cards, and, and- Yeah... the reason why I have 50 is 'cause some of them are, are in my wife's name. Mm-hmm. Some of them are, are in my friend's name that I take with me to the casino.
29:26
I won't build, I'm too afraid to build a card and, and, and, and, uh, have someone else's card in the machine for fear of what happened to that person probably in Chester. They arrested him.
29:36
And, um, you know, so, so I do have cards, though, in my buddies' names, and sometimes it's hard, too. Sometimes you...
29:43
Like I, I have a guy that's a, you know, n- a guy in town, a knock-around guy from back home, you know.
29:47
He's an older man, and I, I try to explain to him when we're, when we're playing together about going in the red, what that means is going in the red. In other words, we'll play at a casino, we'll get his cash back.
29:58
Uh, of course, I'm putting the money up for him, and now, um, I lose $800 on this play. Well, the next time we go in, the next week when you get your $500
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offer, we have to make up the $800 before you profit anything, even though you're getting a $500 offer.
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So let's say I put that card in, get the $500, uh, run it through there, and I win, I win back, you know, 700 bucks and I leave. Well, he thinks he's, he thinks he's entitled to something. Yeah.
30:28
And I say, "Well, we're $800 in the red." And he says to me, "That don't matter to me." I'm trying to explain to him that- [laughs]... we're, we only get paid- Yes... on your net win.
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In other words, if, if I lo- if I lose 800 and win 800 and give you $200, I'm out $200. I'm, we're lo- I'm losing doing this. But he, he really does...
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I, I love him to death, but he does not, he does not want to go in the red. He does, like he said, "Red figures don't apply to me." He's got a V at the end of his name. He's from back home.
30:57
This is like the, uh, the wife/girlfriend thing that we talk about oftentimes- [laughs]... where it's like, "Oh, how much did you win? Oh, wow, I could go buy something."
31:03
It's like, yeah, but we didn't, what about the time- Yeah... you go to, but you forgot about yesterday when... You know what? Yeah. Those don't apply. Those don't apply. You know- No...
31:10
I, I, I keep my wife so far away from this that- Oh, yeah. Gotcha... I settle with someone twice a year, and she's, I said on my podcast yesterday, I settle with someone twice a year.
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And Monday after the Super Bowl, I'm getting things ready, and I'm, I got my desk and I got, uh, you know, I'm going through stuff. I said, "Listen, I have to stop at my box. I have a, a box.
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I have to stop at my box to get my tickets out and spread them all over a table. I'm gonna go to Panera Bread and just do, do..." I gotta go v- I gotta go see my prop guy. 'Cause she's like, "Why are you rushing around?"
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I said, "All right, my prop guy's in town." This is how far away I keep my wife- [laughs]... after all these years. I know. You know, literally known the wife since high school- Yeah... so, you know, 39 years.
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She says, "What's a prop guy?" Yeah, I love that. You know? Love that. So like, like, like that, that goes to show you. But you're right. You can't go home and tell your wife or girlfriend- No...
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what you did this week because- There's no context... there's no, yeah, there is none. [laughs] But, um- It's, uh, you can't do that... card building. Oof, boy- Oh, man...
32:01
we can go on, we could go off on anything on this show. Bill, you should not, uh, please don't self-exclude at any point. Let's, uh, I'm just hoping- No... you don't do that. No, and you know what?
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No one- So what do we have to talk about? Honestly, people... Boy, do I wanna say, like, they shouldn't do that? Because you never know for the future. Oh.
32:14
No, if you have a problem, a gambling problem, and if you're- Listen, that guy sounds like he needed to self-exclude. If he's still running into a casino even afterwards, like it's his only means of entertainment.
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They all gamble after. Yeah. You think the g- When people go to Gamblers Anonymous, they go there because they, they're, they owe money out. That's why they went there.
32:29
But- They didn't go there 'cause they wanted to go there... wait a minute, but he'd go in on a slot machine knowing, or he should have known, maybe he didn't, that if he wins the jackpot, he ain't getting the money.
32:37
So that's the, I mean, that's where it's meshugana. How can he do [laughs] it's just, he, I, I just don't get it. Yeah.
32:43
There is other casinos there, but you know, it's not like Vegas where they're right next to each other. Parks, and then you have to go maybe travel another 20 miles to another one. That's what I mean.
32:51
He's making an effort. Wow. He's not hanging out on the Vegas Strip. He's like, "Hey, I know where I'll go today. I'll go to that casino I self-excluded from." That I'm not allowed in, that I'm, that I...
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He's, I, I mean, whew, I'll tell you what. Yeah. Special people over there. Oh, we live- Really...
33:04
we live in such a fasti- [laughs] This is why, this is why this little corner of the world is so fascinating because it's- I'm still on the side, though. I'm sorry.
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I know that 50% of the people that came in there got a hundred and some thousand, 160,000 views. A lot of people were on the casino side. I'm sorry. It takes a lot for me to be on a casino side. It just does.
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I, I, I'm, I got the pl- I, I, I'm on the player's side here. The fact- Give the money to somebody... the fact that they fined him for the trespass- Yeah... though on top of that is so, such a brutal detail.
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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. It's like, "Oh, by the way, in addition to not getting that 57K, yeah, here's a bill." [laughs] Coming back with the Crack Man. Numbers game.
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Always appreciate the, uh, feedback. VJamesLloyd, "I was in a bar last week, and this, uh, young kid who knows me as a sports bettor comes up and tells me he put in a 20-leg parlay. 20. He didn't win.
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Guess which leg missed?" [laughs] Oh, boy. I don't know, either the 20th or the first. It's one or the other. Uh, I told him repeatedly, 'Stop playing parlays.'"
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That's the great, uh, Chris Andrews story when he's back at, uh, Cal Neva, and he says there was some guy who was screaming. He goes, "Oh my God, that bad beat just cost me a parlay."
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They're like, "Oh, did you hit the first seven of your eight?" He goes, "No, it was the first leg." He cost me his parlay. Uh, J- [laughs] That's, that's funny. I never heard that... that's a great story.
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John Balduzzi, uh, "My buddy bets one seven to 10 teamer a week for a couple hundred bucks each time at the casino in Pittsburgh. That's all he gambles, nothing else. He hits one every two to three years.
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Here's his last." Yeah, he hit one for 70,000. Jesus. And so that's the, the high that he keeps chasing. I mean, 70,000's a lot of money. Yes, it is. My God. That, that's, that's... It's, he's never gonna stop.
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No one could tell him to stop. No. Crane Pool, "I go to Parks Casino about twice a month. You have to go through metal detectors to enter the casino. I bet it has facial recognition as well.
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Makes you wonder how this guy got by that security." You're kidding me. They have metal detectors in Parks? Yeah. Are you kidding me? That's such a, that's, that's actually a nice area.
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I can't believe they have [laughs] meta- No... metal detectors makes me just feel uneasy. Wow. Shades of Mako, "I didn't realize they fined the guy, too. [laughs] That seems like quite the cherry on top."
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Uh, Vegas DP, "Gene Hackman was fantastic in Mississippi Burning." Yes, he was. Oh, yeah. Uh, David Montgomery, "The third gentleman, you have absolutely been destroying tennis lately.
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No pressure or anything, but it would be cool if you kept it up." [laughs] I'll try. My man. It's good to have you back on the show. It's fun with, uh, with everybody there, here at the, uh, at the network.
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Scola, "On the actual self-exclusion form, uh, it is spelled out stating if the person enters the casino after self-exclusion, they can be arrested for trespassing, and also any jackpot- Wow... will not be paid out.
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This is also presented verbally prior to signing." Scola, that's why I'm with you. I'm, I'm- Geez... I, I only have so much sympathy 'cause it's all there in writing. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah.
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That, that, that sounds like too good of an offer to be true, so, 'cause I, I'm a guy that takes advantage of offers anyway. Um, that, that's spend 1,000 within 90 days that, that, everyone does that, 250 back.
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But then you're getting 2% back, and now you, this has extra $500 just, that wasn't here last time I was here I don't think.
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Uh, of course, we all use sports and gaming apps anyway, so I'm gonna, uh, I, I've been wanting to do it. I'm actually gonna sit down and apply for that card. I better get it, so. There you go.
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[laughs] Um- I better get it. [laughs] No, I mean- I hope you didn't self-exclude from getting a card. Yeah. Yeah.
38:53
No, um, you know, so okay, just to read another tweet that you didn't read, a Buddhist man or, or Buddhist, or I hope I'm not saying it wrong. Oh, BuddhistMan, yeah. He's got one. BuddhistMan. What he's got?
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Despite my advancing age like Bill, I find myself s- heading towards situations of problems in public as opposed to retreating.
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It's a normal thing for someone to ch- I, I know don't get involved and it's mind your own business, but when I see, that, that particular s- situation was, like, an 80-year-old guy being beat up inside of a casino by a 30-year-old.
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I'm sorry. Yeah. I ha- I know I shouldn't get involved. I'm getting involved every single time. I, I agree with you. There are certain scenarios where it's tough not to. It's, yeah.
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But, like w- but like the, the car bashing one at the building, I get it. The guy's got a n- a weapon that he's wielding like crazy. What are you gonna ruin your day- Yeah...
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and your life with, with, you get involved in that? Fez said yes. You can read that. Oh, this is the best one. Um, by the way, I documented this when I was hosting, uh... Oh, wow. Okay. You want- Oh, wow.
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Um- Do you wanna read it or shall I read it? No, no you, you can read. So- I'm just reading, he, he actually talked about Larry Grossman, which was his show, my first sports betting show I was ever on 27, 28 years ago.
40:03
Yeah, no, you can read it. Just don't read the advantage player's name. No, I will not. Uh, Fezzik, who will be on the show tomorrow as he is every Friday, he says The Maxim in Vegas had a $300 new player sign-up bonus.
40:14
All you had to do was run through $300. Oh my God, that was easy. Uh, an advantage player literally signed up hundreds of homeless people and was funneling them in for three days. This was in 2005.
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[laughs] Yeah, because it just, you, all you do is put the 300 in.
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You, you count the money through, and when you're done putting the $300 through the machine, whatever's left, 180, 250, 500, cash out, you give the guy 100 bucks, you keep the rest, and you go for the next homeless guy outside.
40:40
You know? How does, how does that conversation go? Yeah. "Hey buddy,"- "Hey, uh"-... "you got an ID? Uh, y- you have a, have, you have a legitimate ID that's a valid ID?" Yeah.
40:47
You know, I, I, I mean, I wouldn't do that, but I mean- Yeah... that is something that you would do for the, you know, you'd make a lot of money doing that back then. Advantage is an advantage.
40:55
Yeah, advantage is, is an advantage, so that's kinda interesting that, that, that that would come up there. Um- Yeah. That's a... Oh, but he said, what did he say?
41:04
"I, by the way, I documented this, uh, on with, with Larry Grossman." That's what he documented that whole story. Yeah. That's amazing. That, that was, like, my first show I, I ever did here.
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It was called You Can Bet On It, and it was a taboo show. I remember my mom and dad were so nervous. They were like- [laughs]... "You're talking about sports betting.
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Billy, d- make sure," I said, "Mom, I'm talking about sports betting." "Yeah, sports betting. It's legal. I'm in Vegas." And they were so nervous, me talking about sports betting out on a show. Oh. Yeah.
41:29
You know, this is, you know, t- like, like I said, probably 27 years ago.
41:32
And, um, yeah, Larry had the only real sports betting show talking about casinos and sports betting and things, and, um, he retired and off in the sunset. Still around town.
41:42
Uh, I heard he's around town picking up his, you know, free steak knives at the Palms and stuff like that. [laughs] Um, God bless Larry. You know the, you just, you just reminded me of something though, though.
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It, it's, it w- it's 2025 now, so, you know, you and I talk about how our friends are still kind of weird.
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Like, sometimes they won't ask us things about this and, or they don't, you know, they don't necessarily look for your knowledge about anything in a casino.
42:06
But, uh, you brought up something there about your parents were, were worried about you.
42:10
I remember I had a couple college friends here, this is years and years ago, maybe 20 years ago, and I remember, 'cause, you know, I was hanging out here the whole time, and they didn't, they, I remember them saying to me like, "Are you, is everything okay?
42:22
Are you in danger?" [laughs] They thought I was in danger. Right. That's what they went to. Right. "Are you in danger?" I was like, "No, I'm just hanging out in Vegas." [laughs] Yeah. It's so fashionable now. I'm good.
42:31
Yeah, yeah. You know, um- What kind of danger do you think I'm in? But for people that don't, I understand. Yeah. Back then especially- Yeah...
42:37
if you were in trouble in your life, there's only two places you'd run to, I told you on your podcast. Yeah. [laughs] You're gonna run to Florida or Vegas. [laughs] That's where you're laminating. That's right.
42:47
You're laminating in V- that, that's where they wound up, in Florida or Vegas. I told you, God picked up the United States from both sides, started shaking it.
42:57
No, no, no, your line was, this is the first time Bill was ever on my podcast- First time I was on his podcast... on the Betting Dork. You said, "God put a funnel, one of those funnels over Vegas." Oh, did I say that?
43:04
Oh, yeah. He put all the trash in the, in the funnel- Oh, man... and then he shook the funnel over Vegas. Yeah. It was a tough town back then.
43:09
And listen, I'm just saying, you know, there, there was, this was a town that accepted vice though. Yes. It, it, you know, look, look at the slogan, uh, "Whatever happens in Vegas stays," that didn't come up last year.
43:20
That's been around for, like, 20 years. I mean, uh, a- and, and that's what it was all the, the, all the years before that. So, um, it was accepted, and now it's fashionable. Now every state.
43:30
We're, we're not even near the sports betting capital. New York, clearly the sports betting capital of the United States. I think it's Illinois somehow second. Yeah. Um, Indiana's close to there.
43:41
Uh, New Jersey, and then, then it's Nevada. So, uh, it's, it's accepted everywhere, and, um, it, it's, it's g- well, I'm interested to see what happens again this March Madness.
43:51
It's so big gambling, it's so big sports betting that, uh, it, it will be interesting to see what the crowds will be for March Madness, only because Super Bowl was so dead in Vegas- Dead... compared to previous years.
44:03
I know- So dead... the California population 'cause of the fires and stuff, but I think it's even deeper than that, even more than that. I think it's, it, it's because of Vegas has done it to themself.
44:12
They outpriced themself- Yeah... with gouging and fees. They did. They did. And also, I, I, I really think because gambling's everywhere. Except for March Madness has pools- They do... and weather. They do. So we'll see.
44:23
We shall see. Stormy is next with Money Moves. Enjoy, from VSiN, the Sports Betting Network. [upbeat music]
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