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Jul 23, 2026
A Numbers Game | July 23, 2026 | Hour 3
A Numbers Game | July 23, 2026 | Hour 3
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0:01
The numbers told the story, they always do. It's one of those idiots who believe in analytics. This is a Numbers Game with Gil Alexander on VSiN.
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Hour number three of a Numbers Game at VSiN, eSports betting network, vsin.com, Game Plus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV, Sirius XM channel 158. Gil Alexander in San Francisco.
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However you're taking us in, any one of those methods, we appreciate it. Uh, Kelly Bidlin in studio, and alongside Kelly Bidlin, unscripted with the crack man, Bill Krackomberger. Let's go. [upbeat music] Oh, yeah.
0:45
Doo doo. Billy, good morning to you. How you doing, man? This is going to be an aggravated gambler segment or episode, so just to let you know. [laughs] Ooh. Oh, good. Oh, [laughs] God. Yeah. I like it, coming in hot.
0:57
Hey, can I, can I- First of all, I will tell you, uh, when are you coming back? You've been on vacation, like, two months. [snorts] Uh, this- does this look like vacation to you, Bill? Oh.
1:06
Does this look like vacation to you? Oh. Yeah, the next two weeks are vacation, Bill, okay? [laughs] That's right. Oh, oh, is, is, is that true? Yeah, [laughs] that's true. Oh, so, so you're not on the next two weeks?
1:16
He's out. That's correct. Okay, good. That is correct. Well, I'm not on. Yeah. I'm off then. There you go. Oh. There you go. Wow, so you're gonna have another two weeks? All right. How do I apply? I'm in for a position.
1:25
[laughs] I'm missing BetBash, though. I'm a little bummed about that. Oh. So- Okay... I won't be there for that. Well, I'm not going either, so- Can I, can- I mean, I, I- Okay, there you go...
1:34
I'll be here, uh, doing my show at... Wednesdays my, my, uh, we, we started up my podcast yesterday here. So, uh, shameless plug for myself here.
1:44
You guys wanna, uh, check it out, it's on, you go to, uh, Bill Krackomberger, uh, Wager Talk on YouTube and you'll see it on there. That's where the, uh, the podcast is.
1:54
Yesterday was our first one from the sports book here. We're going to have Derek Stevens on in two weeks talking about the contest. But, um, we moved it from Westgate to here. Caesar is taking over Westgate, of course.
2:06
Um, you know, not, probably not a fan of mine. I'm definitely not a fan of them. But, uh, so now we're at Circa and, um, this is the mecca. We really felt, uh, we had a great show yesterday.
2:17
I brought some good guests on. Vegas Horse Pools, uh, my friend Scott, who is a proxy.
2:22
Uh, great p- you know, last year I was out of town and I had 20 picks to put in, so I called him up, I said, "Oh, boy, this is gonna be," I, I never asked him to do this for me. I said, "This is gonna be a pain to do."
2:31
And he did it so flawlessly that I said, "Listen, next year I'm gonna promote your proxy." Because he's, he's not one of the big proxies, but, um, uh, he, he, and he, like, runs B- BetBash, too.
2:42
He does a lot of things at BetBash. So, uh, I had Scott on yesterday. He's a fantastic, uh, proxy, Vegas Horse Pools. And I had the, the, the, the two guys from the show, The Quest for 18.7 Million.
2:53
They were sitting in the book and I decided that, they put me on their show all the time. I said, "Oh, come on, come on the show with me."
2:58
So I, I interviewed them and talked about, uh, th- that show that, that they have that, which episode one was on YouTube last night and I found out- Last night?... it's on NESN and, and MSG Mm-hmm...
3:09
I didn't even know it was on those other networks. Yeah. So that was- Yeah... a interesting thing. Talk about it. Listen, it's a pump up thing.
3:15
It's a p- when you, when you see that and you're in the middle of America, you're home, even, even if you're back in New York, New Jersey, you get pumped up to see these kind of contests and pools. And I wanna tell you,
3:26
I know there's another big site, I forget the name of it. They're online doing a, a comp- competitive kind of a, um, a... Is it a s- it's a survivor pool. Yeah, they do a survivor pool. They are, right? Splash. Yep.
3:37
A splash. Mm-hmm. That's it. I couldn't think of the name. Splash scores. So I wanna tell you though, people use, w- they're ahead of pace here already- Yeah... from last year.
3:45
They're ahead of pace to fill these, uh, contests here, and people use this as a vacation. They say, "Listen, I'm coming to Vegas.
3:54
I'm gonna tell," they, they get away from their wife and kids, "I gotta go to Vegas, I gotta do that contest." You gotta do it in person on, you know, uh, the, I'm just, th- this is, this is a big deal.
4:04
Now we're talking, we're only, you know, we're literally, what, six, are we six weeks away from the NFL season? Something like that? Like- Yeah, something like that...
4:10
something like six weeks away from it, from the regular NFL season, only a few weeks away from pre-season.
4:16
And people use this for an excuse the next six weeks to come in town for a couple days with their buddies, maybe join these services. I'm sorry, join these, these contests, and they look for a proxy. So I brought him on.
4:27
And this, like, right here behind me, they sit right here. I didn't even realize this. Yesterday when I broadcast yesterday, I didn't realize there's, like, four of them just- Oh, it's incredible. Yes... yes.
4:36
I didn't even know there was that many services. Dude. Yeah, it's incredible. You know, Bill, we, we, Kelly and I talk about this from time to time.
4:42
It's amazing that in this day of technological innovation, that the actual, and I don't, I'm, I'm not trying to in any way sh- you know, throw shade on, on everybody who does proxy services 'cause they run great businesses.
4:54
They're really good at what they do. But it is amazing in the never-ending world of progress that that job still exists. It's unbelievable. It's amazing. They can't just do it online?
5:05
If you're out of state, I guess there's gaming laws. Maybe it even, it might even violate the '61 Wire Act, which ha- which is ridiculous, it's outlawed. I mean, I mean, not that it's outlawed, it's, it's outdated.
5:17
Um- Mm-hmm... I don't know, but why can't someone in, uh, Arizona click on, uh, Circa and put your picks in from there? I don't know the reason. Do you, either one of you guys? It's silly.
5:28
I mean, it's just Nevada's, Nevada's geo-fenced itself off from the rest- Yeah... of the world progressing forward with sports betting, right? It, that, that, that's perfect. It's no we're good.
5:36
Kelly, that's, that's perfect. You're re- refer- referring to, like, Cal, she and Polly Mar- every, they have- DraftKings...
5:41
DraftKing, well, yeah, they have, they have- They've only had an office here for how many years now and it's- They actually-... started solely being used for it in Nevada...
5:47
they actually, uh, they actually have the risk department here- Right... where they're approving bets- Yeah... throughout the country, uh, literally 15 minutes from the studio- Mm-hmm... but yet you can't bet here.
5:56
Can't bet here. Yeah. Hey, uh, hey, can I- You're all just our guests. [laughs] You're all j- you're all just our guests here.
6:01
I don't mean to interrupt and, and s- and, uh, preempt your aggravated gambler segment, but since you bring up DraftKings, can I bring [laughs] can I bring this up? This is incredible.
6:09
This is incredible Uh, Adam Burke, who is, uh, the part of the glue that holds this whole operation together at VSiN, he is our managing editor at vsin.com.
6:18
He writes about e- all kinds of sports, every sport under the sun. Great dude. He, uh, sent Kelly and I this, uh... He sent, [laughs] he sent Kelly and me this, this unbelievable thing that happened. So,
6:31
how can I set this up? So a guy... Oh, now I can't get out of this. There we go. So yesterday somebody bet over eight and a half on the Padres Braves game on, uh, DK's prediction market, DraftKings prediction market.
6:46
He simply bet over eight and a half. That was the total in the Padres Braves game. The game ended seven to six, right? Seven plus six, I'll do the math for everybody, that's 13.
6:58
13 I do believe is greater than eight and a half, right? That is over eight and a half. Can you check my math for me, Kelly, on that? Yep, you're good. Okay. You've got it.
7:05
So his bet, his over eight and a half that ended up with 13 runs, was graded a loser. Here's what the DraftKings prediction market chat told him: "Thank you for reaching out to DraftKings Support.
7:18
After reviewing your trade, we have confirmed that it was settled correctly. The..." [laughs] First of all, it says the August, I didn't even catch this the first time, Kelly.
7:27
The August 22nd- Oh, God, I didn't catch this the first time either. [laughs] The August...
7:32
The August 22nd, 2026 game between the Padres and Braves ended with a final score of seven-six Braves, resulting in a total of 13 runs scored in the game.
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Since your trade was placed at over eight and a half, the result needed to be at least nine runs for your trade to be settled as a win. However, [laughs] this is ridiculous.
7:52
However, since 13 runs were scored, your selection should have been over 12 and a half runs. [laughs] As- the settlement is accurate based on the official game results. No changes will be made to the wager grading.
8:06
If you have any other questions or concerns, pl- please feel s- free to w- [laughs] to reach back. Um, and then he followed up one more time. Uh, and then what'd he say? We understand your concern.
8:16
However, for selections with a decimal line such as 8.5, the required outcome is determined by the selected line, not the total amount scored beyond that number. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
8:26
None of this makes any sense. They repeat, for a selection of 13 runs, the correct line to select would've been over 12 and a half. We hope this clarifies how these selections are settled. Best regards, [laughs]
8:37
DraftKings Support. I swear to God, you just explained it to me and I just read the thing. I don't get it. I still don't understand it. It's incredible. So ba- basically he, app- apparently he had to go get exactly 10?
8:46
Nine. He was really just betting an exact 10. Well, apparently what it sounds like is this is not a human being responding, is what it sounds like. It doesn't make any sense.
8:54
If it is a human being, it's even worse than I thought, right? Yeah, yeah. But apparently it's not a human being- The form letter...
8:58
who's even gotten the date of the game wrong, and they don't have this worked out at all, is what the upshot is. Okay, so, so it's a winner.
9:07
They're just gonna re- They're- It'll be corrected after they, a human gets involved. Is that what you're saying? [laughs] I don't know. I, I, I don't know.
9:14
I'm hoping that that's the result, but, uh, this is, this poor guy is having to go back twice with whatever automated system, and they are, like, adamantly telling, [laughs] telling him, "No, you know, to get the 13 correct you would've had to bet over 12 and a half.
9:29
Over eight and a half, not good enough." It's ridiculous. Well, and, and here's the problem too.
9:34
You go to these gaming boards that are, that are state, you know, uh, gaming boards that are s- supposedly y- you're state employees. Um, it's so hard to get ahold of someone. Not here in Nevada. Nevada's excellent.
9:48
Yeah. Yeah. Every time I call Nevada Gaming, which is not too many times, I'll get, uh, they, they, they'll put a, whoever the a- the gaming agents are, they're roaming the city. They get 'em right on the phone.
9:57
I've never not spoke to a gaming agent in under a minute.
10:01
Um, now I've spoke to some gaming agents that obviously have an aunt or uncle or someone that got them the job, yes, but, like, they don't, they just don't know anyth- m- too much.
10:09
However, I spoke to a, a male gaming agent about three or four months ago that was so good. He, he, he was perfect. So there is gaming agents here. However, let's go to a state like New Jersey.
10:21
If you call New Jersey gaming, you're never gonna get anyone on the phone that day, and I would be willing to bet my money you're never gonna get anyone on the phone in 30 days. No one's ever gonna call you back.
10:35
It's a voicemail. You will leave a, a message on the voicemail. It gets to them, and eventually they'll get back to you possibly. Now I, I know one that was at the Ocean Casino. You guys remember this.
10:49
I did this with you at South Point. Yes. This lady came in with a autistic son, and he didn't have his, an ID, and she should've had an ID. He's over 21.
10:59
He's autistic and he wanted to press the button so bad on the machine. He couldn't even do... I was with them. I was with them because, uh, uh, my wife's friend ha- uh, it's her ch- her child, and he was 23.
11:11
23, and he, he, he, I'm telling you, he had to do it with his, with his palms, you know, to, to press the button. He was so happy to press the button.
11:19
They came over and asked for an ID, and they did not, uh, he didn't have one, and they took the 130 or $160 voucher. Do you guys remember this from, like, five years ago? Yes. Mm-hmm, yeah. They took the voucher- Oh...
11:34
and we tried to go to gaming, and to this day gaming has never responded about that $160 that was confiscated by the Ocean Casino. Now, I'm not even saying they did it wrong. Okay. So- Hold that thought, bro...
11:48
uh, we'll get back. Hold that thought. Yeah, I want a break. We'll continue this on the other side. You're here because you want an edge.
11:54
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13:03
More with, uh, Bill Krackomberger, @BillKrackman with a K on Twitter, and of course, the name of his podcast is Wisecracks, which he d- wise- [laughs] Wisecracks, which he does with John Orlando, and now as he mentioned, doing it live from Circa- Yep...
13:15
uh, right there in the world's largest sportsbook, which is awesome, Bill. Yeah. Um- Really cool... couple of, couple of questions here before we continue where, where we left off. Yeah.
13:22
Um, I've mentioned this one before the break, or before the, uh, start of the hour. Kenny G, not that Kenny G, but a different one, uh, "Morning, Gil and Bill.
13:30
I'll be coming to town next week, have reservations at Barry's and Italian American Club. My question is about tipping besides the server. Is there anyone else to take care of? Thanks. Gil, enjoy your vacation."
13:40
Ooh, that's great. Thank you. Honestly, th- uh, I'm, I'm always gonna give my honest answer, even though I'm in the building.
13:45
Like, at a place like here, when you're at a fancy steakhouse, you're always gonna have these little girls with the short skirts, and they just, they're just handling your reservation, and I don't know what they can do for you for giving them a, a, a, you know, a sawbuck, or giving them, I don't know what you can do with, with- you're giving them 10 bucks.
14:02
I, unless you, you, if you don't have a reservation, and you could try to give someone something, but some of the girls are so petrified, they, they run to the manager, "This guy just gave me 10 or $20.
14:11
What should I do?" You know, I, like, it, it just, to be honest with you, I, I do give, if the girl's friendly, I'll give her some money if she's gonna seat me, just to, it's a nice thing to do. It's a nice gesture.
14:23
However, the Italian American Club, total different thing. Absolutely tip. There's a guy that holds the door. You know, if you guys seen Back to School, remember the Burt Young character with the hat? Oh, awesome.
14:34
The little Burt Young will put, you know, he, he was in Rocky also. Mm-hmm. Um, he, that guy is at the door. He's at the door watching the parking lot, 'cause it's not in the best area.
14:42
It's all to- towards Boulder Highway. It's on Sahara. But, um, very secure because he watches the parking lot. He watches the door, watches the parking lot.
14:51
I always give him money on the way in, 'cause he, he actually holds a spot for me. I'll go, always give him 10. You can give him five. Give him five bucks for holding the door for you.
14:59
And then the, the maître d' who seats you, I give them $5. And the piano player, I choose to give the piano player money too. Hmm. I know it. So I do give at the Italian American Club, but I'm a regular.
15:09
They know me every week. You get, you get special service. It's nice to get, you know, waited on a little bit, little bit better and they know what you, and how, they know to give me a diet soda and a backup diet soda.
15:18
Like, they know to give, you know- [laughs] They just bring things. Diet soda- Yeah...
15:21
at this point doesn't matter, but still, hey, what, anyway, um- The, the, the guy, the, the guy, the parking lot guy, I'm familiar with him. He's a good guy to give a little tip to- He's a good guy...
15:29
'cause the, yeah, he's just- Yeah, so there's your answer, and you're going to two great spots. I love Barry's. That rib cap, I think it's called rib cap steak- Mm-hmm... is m- one of my favorites.
15:38
Absolutely love Barry's. It's a great place. Get the sides, get the corn. Uh, what, sides are great. That, a great, great steakhouse.
15:46
Uh, Elderly Gambler, "I would like to respectively, uh, respectfully ask how often you think you made a bet, root for your bet to win, and find out you didn't make the bet? It happens to me a lot. Short attention span."
15:58
Uh, Elderly Gambler- That's happened to, that's happened to us a little bit, little bit, right? Not that often, but once in a blue moon it happens, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It, I, I have misclicked bets before.
16:08
I have not found- I have misclicked... my bet, where like, wait a, wait a minute, I made this bet, didn't make the... I have found, and I, but I found it the opposite way, too.
16:15
I have actually found during football season, when I'm making so many bets, oh my God, I'll, I'll find a bet that I didn't realize I even made, and it could be a winner.
16:23
So, um, I don't know if that's the exact question, but I have- Yeah, double- I, I have not found winners, too.
16:29
Double, double headers are always, uh, gotta be very careful in baseball that you're clicking on the right game. Uh, here's one, also a tipping question, MMA Bobblehead, "Hey guys, question for Crack.
16:39
Since the World Series of Poker already takes a percentage of your buy-in for dealer gratuity, what is the prope- uh, what is the proper percentage to tip if you cash?
16:48
You and thousands of others technically already tipped out, so what is the proper protocol?" Jump through this. Absolute zero. Zero. Zero? Dude, they, they, they already had the tip. It's taken out. That's the answer.
17:00
When I buy in- Right... you're taking your 20%, which by the way, 21% for the bigger, um, for the smaller tournaments, you're, you already have the tip. It's in there. If it wasn't in...
17:10
By the way, I understand why they do it, because the Europeans, they, they, it's not in their custom to tip.
17:17
Not that they're being cheap, they just, they, you know, tip in, in, in, in many parts of Europe, and I think even some parts of, some parts of Asia. Mm-hmm.
17:24
So you're not used to tipping, so they're not gonna tip anyone, so they take out the three to 5% of the entire pool, and, uh, the dealers... Now, the dealers put up with a lot of garbage, so I'm not saying that.
17:35
If you have a dealer that went out of your way, that went, went out of his way, I think you could have no problem tipping him, uh, individually if you can. Don't forget, gift cards.
17:45
But, um, yeah, I have no problem with that. But, um, as far as these pools that, as, as far as these poker tournaments that take out money for the staff already, I'm not tipping.
17:55
And trust me, um, this is a real sore subject, I understand. We do a lot of tipping episodes. I am not tipping, uh, in a lot of situations, and I'm over-tipping in other situations.
18:08
Last night, go out, the bill's 260 bucks, I gave the guy $100. 'Cause I go to that restaurant, or you've been there with me, Gil, Carbone. Yeah, yeah. So, um, I do go there.
18:18
Uh, speaking of which, so I went there last night And, um, again, just had like a little $30 bowl of pasta. I think the bill was 288. 288 was the bill. And, um, yeah, give the guy $100 because I, I know him all the time.
18:31
But again, it happened again last night. I, now I invited the guy and I showed him, oh my God, Visan, you guys put out a thing on, and it was so funny. I didn't retweet it yet or anything.
18:41
You put a thing out about the guy taking food home. Yeah, yeah. They put little graphics of a bag to go, a pie, a piece of pie. He did it again last night, only he had two bags.
18:53
[laughs] Last night, two car bone bags, and I filmed him out-out-outside the restaurant. And again, don't forget, this guy is a, a money guy. He's got a lot of money. Yeah.
19:01
[laughs] But, uh, he, he, he, he just saves his entree, gets fr- lots of free bread, saves the entree to take home. Oh, no. And he did the same thing last night, orders two slices of pie.
19:11
This is- One for the bag and one for the table. And this is on your MGM comp? Yes. This is your, on your comp? Yes. Okay. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. Not cool. Yeah. Not cool. By the way, I owe, I owe Nifty a call.
19:21
Side subject, I owe Nifty a call. Yeah. Uh, Muthi- Nifty is now, I, I told you he's, uh, today he's going back east to I think Rhode Island. Um- Oh.
19:29
Yeah, he's, there's a house haunting convention in Rhode Island, he wants to go haunt some other people. [laughs] So if he's haunting you, he'll listen to the show and hear that, you know? Oh, man.
19:39
Uh, Luke Riley, "Crack is spot on about the 1961 Wire Act, sending gambling selections over state lines is a violation punishable by five years per incident.
19:47
Incredibly dumb, uh, law in 2026, but our Congress can't pull themselves together to adjust it." And Luke, I, I understand that that's law. I wasn't even referring to that. I was just referring to in state.
19:57
I'm surprised there isn't any automated, easy kiosk way for... And I know that they, I know that the proxies put it in via kiosks.
20:06
So I'm just curious why there isn't, even on the app itself, within the state itself, an easier way to, to enter one's contest picks.
20:15
I don't wanna say too much about it because I don't wanna ruin these guys' livelihoods. I'm just wondering out loud- Sure... how with all technology that hasn't happened. Um,
20:22
uh, real quick, we'll get back to the DraftKings thing because, um, Shades of Mako said, "Can you link that DraftKing article? It's ridiculous. So ridiculous," he says. Uh, we just got sent creen- screenshots of it.
20:32
But you were, Ke- Kelly made a great point about this. Kelly, would you like to repeat what you said off air- Oh, yeah... about the, uh, the DraftKings matter? Yeah, I mean, there's a couple, there's a couple things.
20:40
You said no gaming. Remember you said you go, can you go to gaming? Right. There's a- It was a great thing you said. There's a couple things with this, right? Like, I don't think that, I mean, gaming doesn't apply.
20:47
This is DraftKings predictions, right? It's prediction markets. I don't think gaming- I, it's-... can even get involved in that. And then, and then second, like, dude, this is, there's no recourse here, right?
20:57
Like, it's prediction markets. It's all technically peer-to-peer, and this is all settled already.
21:02
Like, there's not a book to go complain to and maybe they're gonna give you something or, you know, throw you a dinner comp or something. That's not happening here.
21:09
Yeah, see if you could tag that idiot that, uh, started DraftKings, that was saying, "I'll take your girlfriend away from you." Tag him and see if you can, maybe he can handle it for you. Oh, uh, Kaplan. Yeah, yeah.
21:20
See if you [laughs] see if you can tag him. Um, all right, uh, Tony Hernandez, "Fellas, Crack makes a great point about needing a proxy in today's online gaming market." Uh, he says, "Talk about ridiculousness.
21:30
Item two," I think it was me that made the point. "Item two, let's show producer number nine a little love and do an updated version of the show's intro with the, uh, svelte version of Kelly."
21:38
Yeah, we're, we're working on this- Yeah, yeah... for sure. Rob's on it. Uh, Crack, where did you, you left off and now we're gonna run you into another wall. Oh, the 160. Where- And I texted my wife- Yeah... by the way.
21:46
It's $160 voucher. They never got the money back, and she said, they actually said, "If you wanna come from Florida," where they live, "to come to, we'll have a hearing. And at the hearing- My God...
21:58
if you could show his ID or an ID for him or a passport, then we'll, uh, we'll have a hearing." They didn't say, "We'll give you the money back. We'll have a hearing." So they got to keep the money.
22:08
They're not coming back for, from Florida to, to get $160 voucher. But I gra- granted, I understand. Yes, she should've had an ID for him in the casino, but, um, the kid started crying.
22:20
He started, he actually had a panic attack. Oh, wow. Started crying in the casino. Oh. It was really a bad situation. But, um, the gaming in New Jersey I was talking about, it's just impossible to get to.
22:30
You cannot get to them. Uh, anyone just try to dial it right now. Used to be, i- i- it literally used to have a giant gaming building one block away from Resorts in Atlantic City.
22:40
Um, they had a gaming, uh, I, I forget which street it was on. They had a giant gaming building with 100 employees. Now there's like, I, I think one lady, Ethel, that handles the, uh, phone calls.
22:51
[laughs] And, you know, and, and she handles them all. Yeah. And, and then she- Yeah... will, will, will give them out, you know, throughout the, the...
22:57
But I'm telling you, a month, they're not getting back for you for a mo- And you have to do multiple phone calls. Ethel. All right. Pa- pa- parents don't name their kids Ethel anymore, do they? Their daughters Ethel? No.
23:08
Yeah, it's not up there. Coochie coochie coo, Ethel. No, she's 91. She's still working there. Yeah, okay. She's a great lady. Yeah. Loves bingo. [laughs] Aggravated gambler with Crack next on A Numbers Game at VSIN.
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Gil Alexander in San Francisco, Kelly Bittling, and Bill Krackomberger, Unscripted with the Crack Man, Bill Krackomberger, in the studio there in Las Vegas. Uh, couple things. One, uh-
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Co- co, uh, I don't wanna say star, but, uh, one of the four prominent pr- uh, persons featured in the Showtime docuseries Action, Vegas Dave, ordered to pay $30.2 million to an upscale vacation rental agency in Mexico or he's headed to jail.
24:39
Crack, did you see that? I, I, I don't know what he did. I- You know, I read the article. I, I, I don't know what he did. Did he, did he, uh, rent out pro- He, he's just not paying it...
24:48
did he rent out his properties and not let the people stay or something? Uh, something happened. This is almost like, like, um, OJ
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in, getting off for other things, and then they finally got him for going after someone with a baseball bat. Right. And put him...
25:02
I guess that's, I'm guessing it's something like that because, um, yeah, I, I, I don't, I don't... A, a lot of people sent me this too, so I, I- You're right, it's, it's unclear. Yeah.
25:12
It's, it's un- Yeah, it didn't make sense that- Yeah... what he, what he did, but yeah, he, he did something, obviously. Um- He, I don't know, he fired a guy. It's a whole thing. Anyway, d- not surprising to any of us.
25:22
The other thing is, uh, you were one of the people featured in the first episode of the Survivor doc, the Quest for 18.7 Million.
25:29
Uh, [laughs] and Kelly pointed out that was, one of your greatest hits was on there, you were teaching people how to stack the bills. Oh, a- and, and by the way, I, I, I usually don't...
25:39
It's not to brag, because th- that wasn't even my money. Like, like, they're entering a $100,000 contest, you know, that my friend who, who they had, they had two-thirds of the pool, so they had, like, $70,000 invested.
25:51
He, he's from the South. He's from... Uh, it's amazing, all the people I've been around in the North and Jersey and, uh, you know, uh, Boston or in Philly,
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th- no one ever come up with this idea that if you wanna travel with money to just take 10 one hundred dollar bills, fold them right, right in half, and then do that 10 times opposite, each, each stack is opposite, and put two rubber bands one one way and two rubber bands the other way real tight, and it winds up being so tiny, it's a $10,000 pack like a Kit Kat bar.
26:23
[laughs] Like a Kit Kat bar. And that's what he handed me- Yeah... and that's what I used for the contest. But I show people, "Hey, it's a good way to, you know, it's a good way to carry money, you know.
26:32
You can put it in your pocket or put it... It's a good way, it'll, it'll go deeper into your pocket than a pack of, of money.
26:38
Uh, you know, you, you really, really to be honest with you, anyone that comes to Vegas, you should have zippers on your pockets. [laughs] I know no one does, like sweatpants or- Yeah... like a zipper is so important.
26:48
I know so many people that have lost money out of their pocket. Don't forget, you- Yeah...
26:52
you're having a good time, you're drinking, you're partying, you're, you're in Vegas, and then you have professional pick- you know, pickpockets and thieves. Mm-hmm. You know, that you just, you, you, you, you want...
27:02
I, I carry a, a little bag, but then again, I don't really carry a lot of money. Like, I remember even doing that show, they were like, "Hey, can you carry money and go up to the sportsbook with, like, 100 thou-?"
27:11
No, I, I, I, I bet on the apps. Yeah. Like, I really don't carry a lot of money unless I'm playing a promotion or something, or going for a bet in person. Some places want a bet in person rather than the app.
27:23
South Point, I can go in person and bet a lot more over the counter than I can on the app. Other places, you know, you, you, they want only app. They wanna track the betting.
27:33
That, that, that's the more, that's more like it with the new age. They don't even want you betting at the counter, they want you betting on the app. So, um, I just showed that little thing.
27:41
And now I didn't see get, last night's episode yet. Sh- it's a shame I didn't. I plugged the, on my show, we're plugging it here. I didn't see episode one. And I understand why people like that stuff, though.
27:50
They, they're all from around the country. They get pumped up to come into Vegas. It's, it's, uh, and, and I'm sure the guys do a great job.
27:56
I didn't know till yesterday that if you're in the contest and you see them and you have your own story, you can go up to them and just say, "Hey, can I be on the show?" I d- like- Hmm...
28:05
you know, give someone their 15 seconds of fame, you know. Is that they say 15 minutes, 15 sec- anyway. 15 minutes, yeah, yeah. 15 minutes. 15 minutes. But that's pretty, pretty cool.
28:12
It's, uh, Steven and James said that. Yeah. That, that they can come up and tell their story and maybe their collective pool of guys back home, and they were sent here to, to, to be in the contest.
28:22
Th- there's some great stories out there, and it's always great to get a little camera time for those people, and they work hard nine to five, you know, uh, every, every year grinding it out, their jobs.
28:32
On the weekend, they wanna be weekend warriors and be in this big contest for $1,000. It's fantastic. The, the $100,000 contest- It is... is the one we were talking about, though, uh, if they showed that.
28:43
That, that's when I got handed those bills from somebody. Um, so anyway, it's just a good, it's an easier way to carry 10 grand, uh, in, in, in your pocket, and I hope h- I hope to have that problem more often. Yeah.
28:55
Yeah. Yeah. Gil, it's one of my favorite Crack greatest hits. It really, I've probably seen it five times. It's good. I love it every time.
29:00
The guys did a great job editing it in, in episode one, too, 'cause it was like you after probably two or three guys with, you know, bands, right? You got 10K, 10K, right? Right. Heading up to the window.
29:10
They're struggling to carry it, and then cut right to Bill Krackenberger with this, "See, this is how you do it. Layer this way, layer that way, it'll just stack up."
29:17
And do you know at the window, they, they probably cut it out of the show, one of those thousand dollar packs was short 100 bucks. So I- Oh, wow. That was edited out... I had, I had 99,900 when they were done counting.
29:30
Oh, wow. Yeah, so one of those... So someone shorted me 100, someone shorted my friend $100. Ooh. [laughs] So I, I got paid.
29:36
Yeah, 'cause now everyone in the South, that's how they carry money, all the gamblers, so kind of interesting. Gil, let's go back to the aggravated gambler. All right, Gil- Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, that's right.
29:44
Let's do it. All right, I want, this is, this is, this was, like, the main thing I wanted to say on the show today. It's me, Kelly, you, um, Dan, a lot of, lot, let's say three of your guys in the back.
29:54
Danny, Darnell, Chris. All right, Dan, Darnell, Chris, me, you, as, so the six of us. We're hanging out at the sportsbook here, and we wanna make a bet.
30:05
I wanna tell you guys, I say, "Wow, uh, this certain sportsbook has over 56 and a half yards." It's not a bad line, just that I like that line. Mm. It's f- it's 59 and a half here.
30:17
It's 61 and a half at somewhere else, but it's 56 and a half at a certain book. I say, "Guys, this is a good bet." We all bet it. Right? We all- Mm-hmm...
30:25
like, we all bet it, 'cause these guys wanna follow me for the- Yep... 50, 100 bucks- Yep... whatever it may be.
30:30
We all bet it, and the sportsbook, after the game, after the game, says, "Hey, we got six bets from the same IP address. We're not paying you." That is going on in New Jersey. Oh, jeez. That's going on. Yeah.
30:46
I have some friends that are part of, of, of, of, a, you know, they're, they went to Gaming. They're waiting for Gaming. They're still waiting. They, they haven't heard back from Gaming.
30:54
They have, um, all bet the same things, and they're not getting paid, and it's been about a year. [exhales] It's unbelievable. Yeah. We t- And, and, and- We talked about that a while ago, yeah... we did talk, Gil.
31:06
It's, but- We talked about it- Yeah... probably a year ago. A year ago. It still hasn't been solved. Better yet, still hasn't been addressed. Like, it has, there's no decision, nothing go- It's amazing. It's amazing.
31:20
First of all, Gaming destin- all these different destinations now that have gaming, these jurisdictions, Gaming has to be more up on the sports betting.
31:30
They're up on some casino things sometimes, but, um, uh, you know, some- sometimes they know some more gaming.
31:38
I would think New Jersey, being the first state that was, had sports betting after Nevada, they would be a little more up on the sports betting, uh, language, the, the, the etiquette of it.
31:50
Like, here in Nevada, I actually spoke to a Gaming agent about, I don't know, three, four months ago. I think I told you guys. He knew so much about sports betting. That's fantastic. They should...
32:01
But you'll, you can get s- these different jurisdictions that don't know about sports betting. They don't understand it 'cause they don't gamble. Mm-hmm.
32:07
So they, they, they don't know where, like, you can go around the country, and you can pick some places that the agent won't even know what 11 to 10 is.
32:14
They would like, they would, you have to explain it to them, and they have to bring it to a higher-up or explain, or, or someone in, in that business.
32:19
But, um, also in New Jersey, I know of a case of a guy with a ticket that he bet on a future.
32:27
So he bet the bet in, like, July, and he bet it in July, and it didn't take place until after the season was over, and I'll even say, like, till, like, March of next year.
32:39
And he, it was his own fault, he forgot to cash the ticket. So he went to go cash the ticket. Even though it was in that period, um, they say it, it should be in the year from the day of the event.
32:53
You follow what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, before the expiration. Well, it should be the year of the day of the event, then you get a year from that day- Yeah... that the event takes place.
33:02
And he went, I'll say, 13 months out, and they said, "No, you, you didn't, you, you, it, it's a year from when the date's printed." Wait a minute. A year from when the date's printed?
33:12
Some bets you can make are a year in advance anyway. Mm-hmm. It can't be the year.
33:16
And, and, and plus they give you a courtesy sometimes of a week or two weeks or some- I, I, I know that's going on for a small amount of money.
33:23
Like, like, I, I, I'm just saying, it's, it's, it, it's amazing how many obstacles you have to overcome to win. You have to hope to win, hope to get paid, hope...
33:35
It's, it's, it's, it's, I'll be honest with you, it's almost like betting offshore. You hope these- Mm-hmm... these, these, these places that, they're supposed to be regulated, and you can't even get to the regulators.
33:46
You can't even get to them. Oh. So, so shame on New Jersey for having such a terrible gaming board. And this is, this is going on for a long time.
33:56
Like I told you about the $160 ticket, I've called them myself there and left messages. No one ever responded. It's like, you know, I, I, I don't know, man. They're like, are they, they're like the real mafia.
34:06
They're like the new mafia now. I don't know what it is. They, they just do what they want. I have no idea. More with Bill Krackomberger, Unscripted with the Crack Man Bill Krackomberger on the other side.
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You can follow him on Twitter @BillKrackMan with a K. Wise Crack's the name of the podcast, coming back right here on The Numbers Game.
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Back on The Numbers Game, live from both California and Las Vegas, San Francisco and Las Vegas. Gil Alexander in San Francisco this week.
34:43
Kelly Bidlin back at the, uh, mothership there, and of course, this is the Crack Hour, which as, uh, as Fred Currier said on Twitter, "Best hour of the week." Thank you, Fred.
34:53
Um, The Numbers Guy says, "I'm married to Ethel and my daughter is Mildred." [laughs] Wow. Come on. He's lying. There's no way. Oh. Uh, Jason McKinney, "I see the Red Sox have started a losing streak.
35:05
I guess we aren't, we aren't a lock to cash." All right, easy with the losing streak. Um, my, but I like the reverse jinx angle that you're going with there. Billy, you know we have an 80 to 1 Red Sox most wins in July?
35:15
Do you know? People have texted me and said, "What is this thing with Gil that he, he," about this, so, so you, uh, s- repeat the bet again. Red Sox? So, so 80 to 1 on the Red Sox, uh, before the month of July began.
35:29
They, they do monthly markets, most wins by- Yeah... who's gonna have the most wins in this calendar month? And the Red Sox were 80 to 1, and I did a whole thing on it, and I bet it, but I was leaving town.
35:40
I was leaving town as I was betting it, so I was like, "Who do I call to put this in for me?"
35:45
And you were the first person that came to mind, and I'm like, "I bother Crack too much with this when I leave town," so I didn't. I d- I wish I had bothered you in the end- Yeah...
35:53
'cause now I [laughs] worry about the other person. I could have easily bet. Especially, was it Circa? Uh, no, no, no. Oh, okay. It was William Hill Caesars. So I bothered someone else- Right...
36:00
and it's, it's a little more, uh, how can I put this? Complicated. Um, complicated. [laughs] Okay. Thank you, Kelly. Yeah. It's a little more complicated. Yeah, no, but it'll be fine in the end. It'll be fine.
36:09
Um, yeah, uh, this is from Montreal Max. He says, "So doing the math," he says, "the next Unscripted appears to be on August 13th.
36:17
If so, that will be a birthday gift for me the next day, but it does free up my Thursday lunch, so sounds like the Odyssey will be booked next Thursday as Montreal does have a 70 millimeter IMAX." Oh. Oh, wow.
36:28
Vegas has an IMAX for the Odyssey as well, I believe If I'm not mistaken I, I saw it in IMAX- Oh, you, oh, you've seen the movie?... on Friday- Wow. Oh... at the South Point. Was it as good or are they just built up?
36:37
Okay, guys, uh, th- Brian Ortega, earmuffs wherever you are, okay? [laughs] This is... I have a problem 'cause y- you know, we talk about this all the time. We never go to the theaters, right? Never go to the theaters.
36:46
I only go to the theaters for, like, movies that are supposed to be all-time amazing. Yes Right? Yeah. But the problem is, for movies like that, my expectations are always so damn high- That's what I said...
36:56
it's hard, it's just hard to hit them. Yeah. It was very good, though. It was very, very good. Right, right, right. Um, my- Can I tell you something, man? My, my old brain, I don't have any interest.
37:07
So, so G- I have no interest... it's a three-hour-long movie. The biggest compliment I can give- No... is that I sat in a movie theater for three hours. Like, that's... If I'm doing that, it must be good.
37:17
I'm with Gillo though. I'll go s- I, now that I hear- Yeah... it's three hours especially, I, I, it's hard for me to watch, like, fictional movies and things. Like, Space- Me too... I don't know. I've...
37:25
It's like Space Age or whatever it is. Um, I heard. But now, yet I loved g- like Gladiator. Mm-hmm. I love Gladiator. Mm-hmm. I seen that in the theater when it came out.
37:34
Thought it was fantastic, but, um, this movie has such good hype to it that I thought about seeing it. But now that I hear three hours, I, I, I, I can wait till it comes out, uh, on, on a video.
37:43
If I even watch it then, 'cause right now you can watch stuff. Like Max said, you can watch stuff and then we... Football season, it's really hard to- Yeah... watch anything during football season.
37:53
So, um, I, I, you know. Do, do you go to the movies at all Gillo? Foot- football season, I went to see Michael, 'cause it's Michael Jackson. I'll go see a Michael movie any d- any day of the week. Okay.
38:03
But that's just me, right? Like, I'm not interested in a v- a thea- theatrical, uh, massive Hollywood production of Homer's The Odyssey. It just doesn't interest me at all.
38:14
And I, I know maybe I'm, maybe I'm a lesser person for it, but it just doesn't interest me at all.
38:18
Um, football season, what you brought up, is an interesting thing because we, you know, like I loved nothing more as a child than going to Skins games in DC, right? It was the true joy of my life.
38:29
I looked forward to every Sunday at RFK. It was just everything in my childhood. And now as an adult, as a bettor, unless it's a standalone game, I have no interest whatsoever.
38:40
Someone, uh, somebody was, uh, talking to me about US Open tickets for tennis the other day. Like, "Hey, I can maybe finagle tickets to the finals of the US Open on the men's side, and it's the first Sunday of the NFL."
38:51
I'm like, "I, I'm not going to that." Yeah. "I can't go to that." Yeah. He's like, "What are you talking about? It's gonna be Sinner and Alcaraz." I'm like, "Uh, uh, it's football, dude. Come on. Can't do it."
39:00
The amount of times- It's our north star... we had, I had, like, Raiders tickets for the, uh, suite, I didn't go. 'Cause I, it's, it, you just, i- it's so, it's hard, it's...
39:06
You know, it's a week one of NFL, week three, whatever. There's a lot of other games. Now, if it's a standalone, Sunday, Monday night, Thursday night- Different story... it's different. But- Yeah... um, it's so true.
39:15
It's so true. Before we go off air, I wanna talk about something in the slot influencer area here. So these slot influencers are, um, they, they, everyone wants, seems like they watch them. A lot of people like gambling.
39:27
They love watching people spin for big amounts of money. Now, it's not like someone's playing a dollar and a quarter a hand and you're watching the video, getting your fix of gambling in the middle of Minnesota.
39:36
This is giant spins for $500, $1,000, which, like, uh, Matt, Matt. Vegas Matt does- Mm... some, some big things sometimes and, um, they're all real. So this, this person, Mr.
39:48
Handpay though, uh, which by the way, I've never seen him. I know the name, but he has, he has actually, uh, went after some other influencers. He found three of them that were fugazi and fraudulent.
40:00
Now, I didn't know you could even do this. But by the way, these fugazi and fraudulent people are making six figures a year, healthy six figures- Geez... with a slot channel, but it's fake.
40:11
And I was like, "Wow, what do you mean it's fake?" Wow. And they're on, uh, the mode that the machine is on is test mode. So the g- the game's actually not really be...
40:22
Even though he's saying, and he, and, and they put up in their advertisements, "$500 a spin, $1,000," and they show stacks of money, these big stacks of money.
40:30
The guy hold o- on, on the advertisement, the big stacks of money.
40:34
Three very big slot influencers that get millions and millions of views, this guy has revealed how they've done, done it without really even gambling in the casino. Their, the, the, the game is on...
40:46
I'm sorry I don't know the l- the- I was gonna say, are they all in a casino period? They can't be, right? I, I, no, they're, they...
40:51
I, I believe it's being manipulated by their cameras, but it looks like they're in a casino. Oh. But they're on a test mode- Yeah... where they're pressing $500 a spin and it's not real. But it looks like $500 a spin.
41:01
Mm-hmm. There's never been a slot attendant come over. There's not a b- They, they just immediately turn the game off when there's a hand pay. They, you know, you don't see them pressing the...
41:09
'Cause certain casinos have, you could put your code in and get paid automatically. Right. You don't have to wait for a slot attendant. None of that stuff goes on.
41:16
All three have turned off their, uh, comments now on their channels, uh, you know, 'cause they're, this guy's gonna cut into a giant, giant, uh, money-making thing for these guys. But
41:27
there's a segment of the audience that says, "I don't care if it's fake. It's fun watching you do the..." Well then, why don't you do it- Right... yourself at home for free or, or whatever?
41:35
Like, like, the idea was you're winning real money, and you can win like, like, like, like Matt does, and there's- Yeah... I guess Mr. Handpay does. And there's a female influencer. I just don't know her name.
41:45
She does the same thing with, uh, you know... Now, I don't like how they a- all the time a lot of them show their wins and how glamorous it is, how easy it is. It makes people wanna gamble more.
41:58
That's why the casinos host down, right down the street, El Cortez ho- hosting Vegas Matt. But Matt's very transparent, um, about his wins, his losses. He does interviews.
42:08
But I just thought it was interesting how these slot influencers, which, uh, they're, they're fake. It's not even real. People think they're watching real jackpots. Wow. This guy, uh...
42:17
And, and it's not something probably either one of you guys ever watch, right? You don't watch the slots? No. We, me and you have talked about it- No... though.
42:22
I run into Matt and his guys all, all the time, and I just sit there amazed, just amazed a- at the numbers they do, the traffic. We, you and I have talked about it. Yeah. It's, it's incredible. So hey, good.
42:31
Get the fakes out. They got- Yeah, I mean, for sure... got the fakes out. All right, I wanna finish with this. He- Uh, pizza. Believe it or not. Okay. You gotta have a, I gotta have a pizza segment. Yeah.
42:38
New pizza place in town. So- Yes... this guy, uh, someone told me, a doctor I know says to me, a, a doctor, imagine a doctor giving me a, "Yeah, go down and get some," cardiac arrest. Uh, yeah, so- Yeah...
42:50
he told me about this pizza place that just opened up. It's called Slicateria. It's over by Durango, and it's, it's, uh- Mm-hmm... a guy from Brooklyn that originally started a pizza chain out here. His name is John.
43:02
He was in there. He's like 75 years old. Uh, I don't know his last name, but John started Metro Pizza out here in the '80s. Mm. Which, to be honest with you, I'm not really a Metro Pizza fan, just okay. But he sold it.
43:14
I didn't realize, he sold it 20 years later, the whole chain.
43:17
So, but now in his 70s, he, he, you know, he g- he, he wanted to start up again a new pizza place, and he has the pizza down pat almost, almost to the, um, it's called the 86th slice, 86 Slice.
43:32
It's a pizza like L&B Spumoni Gardens, which is my favorite pizza probably in the United States. I love the L&B square pizza, um, that's in Brooklyn, and it's on 86th Street. That's why he calls it 86. What a...
43:45
And, and they have all different kind of slices of pizza in there. I went there the other day. I'm gonna tell you- [laughs]... you are not gonna be upset. That place was- Wow... unbelievable.
43:53
Now, y- it's, y- it's hard to find. They just opened. They don't have proper signage yet. He's doing it now. But it's called Metro Slicateria, and it's over by Durango. I want people to try that slice of pizza.
44:04
Fantastic. That, that's it. That's it. Yeah, yeah, that one, yeah, that one's pretty good. Slicateria. Whoo. It's square pizza. Oh, man. It's crunchy and it's soft. It's pillowy. Oh, God. Um, I just, you know- Yeah.
44:14
Interesting... listen, I'm gonna give a shout-out to always Al, too, at Dom DeMarco's. We love his pizza also. But, uh, I'm very fair.
44:20
I t- call it like I see it, and I think that's a fantastic p- people like Pizza Rock down here. I like the certain ones. I don't like all of them, but Pizza Rock's one of the most famous pizzas in town. Yeah.
44:31
I don't think it's the best. There's a place called Evil Pie down here that everyone loves. I went to it twice. I didn't think it was nothing special. But- I didn't love it either. Yeah, I didn't- I didn't love it. No...
44:38
I didn't love it. So, um- Yeah... but y- we have upped our pizza game with this place over, um, on, it's on Durango. It's by Durango, maybe, like, uh, uh, maybe north, north- Just north of Durango. Yeah. Yeah.
44:48
Less than a mile from Durango. So there's a sh- my little plug for them. All right. All right. Bill Krackenberg, everybody. WisKracks, again, which he does live from Circa now. You do it every Wednesday, Bill?
44:59
Every Wednesday. Is that gonna be the day? Yep. Every Wednesday. Okay. Bill, thank you. We've done all we can do. Uh, Prop Points with Jeff Erickson. Nick Whalen is next. Enjoy, from VSiN, the sports betting network.
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