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Jul 25, 2024
A Numbers Game | July 25, 2024 | Hour 2
A Numbers Game | July 25, 2024 | Hour 2
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The numbers told the story, they always do. He's one of those idiots who believe in analytics. This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander on VSiN.
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Hour number two of a numbers game at VSiN, the sports betting network, vsin.com, GamePlus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV. It's Gil Alexander, it's Kelly Fidlin.
0:17
Um, Kelly, you and I are getting, uh, two ships in the night last night. I'm, I'm leaving for a while and you're leaving after that? Is that what's happening, or are you still here? Yes. Okay. Yes.
0:27
I have a, I have a, uh, wedding to attend down in Miami, uh, next weekend, so I will be out, what, next Thursday and Friday. You're renting a tux. I don't know who the duo is for, uh, next Thursday and Friday. We'll see.
0:38
We shall see. 'Cause, uh, 'cause you and I are rarely both out at the same time, actually. Well, that's correct. Or recently, at least. That is correct. Are you out for BetBash August 6th through the 9th?
0:48
Yeah, I a- yeah, yeah, I am. I'll, I'll be back that weekend. I'll be back that weekend. Uh, Spanky's BetBash, August 6th through the 9th here at Circa. Um, I am honored to be, uh, moderating a panel on August 9th.
1:00
Is August 9th a Friday?
1:01
Whatever the Friday is, um, I will be moderating a panel that has to do with, uh, it's called Learning the Game: How Do Legislators and Regulators New to Sports Betting Learn Who to Trust and Who to Bust?
1:14
And on this panel will be Sean Floody, who's r- who's a West Virginia state legislator, Susan Haenzel, who is a co-founder and partner of, um,
1:23
GradPC, former director of licensing for the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board, and Billy Walters- Nice... on the panel, legendary professional sports bettor, to give the betting side of things.
1:34
And basically, what the panel is gonna be about is where's the voice for the bettor?
1:38
And, uh, we'll just roll the ball out for Billy, and I'm sure he'll have, uh, [laughs] 15, 20 minutes, uh, of his own things to say, so I'm looking forward to that. And that is that Friday?
1:48
That is that Friday, August 9th. So, uh, BetBash. This is number three, right? BetBash three. Yeah, I believe so. I, I think I've, I think I've actually been on vacation randomly all, every time. Really? Yeah.
1:59
Yeah, [laughs] like completely random. It's a wedding that I've got coming up.
2:02
Listen, BetBash is great, not only, obviously, the panels are great, but it's really known for, you know, like 3:30 in the morning watching Elihu Feustel teach the, Elihu Feustel teach the, uh, the mathematics of craps to a, a random- [laughs]...
2:14
young lady, that kind of thing. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, Unscripted with the crack man Bill Krackomberger. [upbeat music] Uh, uh, uh, uh. Hit it.
2:32
And when I say a random young lady, I mean he's really explaining the math. There's nothing nefarious happening, he's just explaining the odds. [laughs] How you guys doing? So you guys are going away now.
2:42
Where you going, Gil, next week? Uh, I don't know. Oh. TBD. Oh, no, I thought you were, I thought you said you, you guys were both doing something. You're going to Miami? Yeah, he's out. He just doesn't know where yet.
2:52
Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. [laughs] I think, I think- We can go to Miami, Charlie... I think Hawaii. See if anyone knows where that, that, where that movie, that's from. What, what was this quote?
3:01
"We can go to Miami, Charlie." What's that from? Pulp Fiction. Oh. [laughs] All right. One of, one of my movies. Rando. Yeah. Okay.
3:08
What, um, uh, so, um, but you're going on vacation and you're, you're st- you're g- you're, you're, you don't know where you're going yet. I'm saying you're going to Miami, you don't know where you're going.
3:17
I think I know where I'm going. Okay, good. Yeah. All right, so I won't be here. [laughs] He will not be here next week. Everyone else- Yes... is scared to have me on. Oh, no. Um, no.
3:26
Uh, so, um, guys, I put up a tweet last night. I retweeted something about, uh, of course, it's our tipping area, but this is such a hot area. You- It, it got 161,000 views already in, in the last 12 hours.
3:38
I wanna know, it, it happened the other day, I don't know if you guys know this, someone put $5 up- Yeah... at, uh, the Venetian. Oh, I got that tweet. Five little bucks. Yeah.
3:47
And he- Oh, someone texted this to me, yes... he won 2.2 million. Yeah. So you got 2.2 million as a bonus bet on... A- and by the way, think about getting dealt, now there is a joker involved.
3:57
I, I don't know if pai gow's one joker. It's one joker, I think. I don't know pai gow, Bill. Yeah, it's one joker. Seven cards- I did see this. One of them-... and you get dealt a straight flush with the joker even.
4:06
One of them was a joker, yeah. So- There it is on the screen. Oh, it is. Oh, there, oh, wow, okay. Yeah, that's from Las- There it is... Las Vegas Local.
4:11
Yes, Las Vegas Lo- I, I, I retweeted it, of course, and I put my own spin on it. What do you tip on this? I would have to say I would give a decent tip for the dealers to split.
4:21
I, you know, they say one to 2%, I'm probably gonna go with a 2%, but more importantly, the dealers that were there, if I liked them, I'm tipping them on the outside. Yeah.
4:32
You know what I'm, I'm gonna give them something 'cause,
4:34
you know, 2%, let's just call it 40 grand, I'll round it down, 40 grand split up amongst all the dealers is probably a grocery dollar or two each in their paycheck, believe it or not. Maybe five bucks maybe.
4:49
Whereas outside, obviously, that's money in their pocket. So, um, I tweeted that out and got various responses from pe- I'm sure you did... uh, a lot of people saying, a lot of people saying, "Why, why do you tip?
5:04
Give him 100 bucks. What's the big deal? You're g- they're only gonna get a couple dollars anyway." I will, I will not name who said this to me, but there's someone- Oh...
5:10
the person who sent it to me said, said, "Find some- find someone to love you as much as Bill Krackomberger loves tipping," they said. Oh. [laughs] Oh.
5:19
No, and I'm not saying, listen, I'm not saying- This is a really tough example, in my opinion. This is, this is really difficult. Be- because, Bill, let's, like, like I don't know pai gow well, but this is- Yeah...
5:27
a $5 side bet. Yeah. What do we think this person sat down at the table with, 1,000? No, less. Less. Not even. Less. Not even. So the i- think about the idea of sitting down at the table with 500- Yeah...
5:38
600, $700- Yeah... and then you're gonna tip out 40 grand afterwards. 'Cause you're winning 2.2 million. Okay, but- Okay... but, okay, but let me, I'll- Pile the money in front of you on the table.
5:46
Now granted, that's before taxes too. Okay, Bill- So... but yes, I'll take the Kelly position as well, if I may be so bold as to, as to say it- [laughs]... as the Kelly position. You could join the ship.
5:54
It is, okay, you just won 2.2 million on a j- just in a spur of the moment nonsense bet, right? Yep. You then want to give, what was your percentage? 2% you said? If you Google anything- 2%...
6:09
one to two percent's the number, yeah Okay. $40,000, I g- I assume you'll give it to the pit boss to distribute, or how would you do that?
6:15
No, you put, you put it on the table for the dealer to, and the dealer, you know, puts it down, um- Can, can, first of all, can you trust that to be distributed as you're saying it should be? I don't know.
6:23
I don't know that you can. There's a lot of cynical things. I'm, I'm- I don't know that you can... cynical to begin with. I don't know that you can trust that.
6:28
And then it is, let's just think, let's, let's, let's take our brains out of our very myopic Las Vegas mindset, right? We're Las Vegas people, a million here, oh, I want a million here. Oh, we're gonna tip 2%.
6:41
Blah, blah. Let's go into the real world for a second, right? Okay. Let's take a flight to anywhere USA. Right. And now you're actually holding that cash in your hand and you're like, "Okay, let me break off 40 large."
6:53
Think about what you're doing. [laughs] Right? That's the way Gil says it. Yeah. [laughs] Break off. Right. [laughs] It's all gang war. I, uh, let me break you off 40. Break the kid off 40 large.
7:03
You're, you're breaking you off, you're breaking off a, someone's annual salary. That's obvious. Yeah. This could be half this guy's annual salary. Half, yeah. I mean, it could be more, right?
7:13
So I guess I understand that side of the argument. Right. Yeah. You know what? I'm, listen, and, and, you know, your person who told you that, I, I, I don't wanna come off like I'm an overly crazy tipper.
7:26
I'm just, I live in a tipping town, and I lived on tips my whole life. I've worked a lot of these positions that get tips their whole life, especially as a- Yeah...
7:33
as a young teen into my early 20s, I worked on tips, so I know what it is, and I know what it is to be in the, you know, um- You, you, but you said it right there. You live in a tipping town.
7:42
Most people, now maybe those that are listening to this show know better, but most people, right? Or I'll use my buddy Tommy as the, just the sort of generic example.
7:49
My buddy Tommy in DC, uh, th- you know, 30 years betting sports the same way he's bet from day one, which is, "What are you betting on? Can I throw 100 in on there with you?" [laughs] Like he doesn't, right?
7:58
He's that, he's that guy. He would not know the tipping culture, right? Yes. And he's been here- I bet you most won't... and he's been here a billion times. By the way, this is again, get, using the word myopic.
8:09
This is a Las Vegas thing. It is not a world th- again, I, I took, was, I was in Korea last year. They view tipping as an insult. [laughs] Okay? So Las Vegas is its own thing. Yeah. This is not the rule of the world.
8:21
Yeah. Nor is it the rule of the country.
8:24
It is a rule that those of us who have been here, 'cause there's a lot b- folks like you who believe, no, you must do that, and if you don't do that, you're an awf- that's the thing that bothers people.
8:32
If you don't do that, you must be an awful person, and most people are not awful people. No. They don't know they're supposed to do that. Oh, no, I, I, I agree with you, and e- especially Europeans and stuff. Yeah.
8:42
The World Series of Poker was here, waitresses complaining, you know, they're not getting tipped from the c- you know, 'cause they're not used to tipping. It's not their culture.
8:48
So I, I, I do understand, and I definitely, I'm not trying to say you're a bad person if you don't do it. Maybe you don't know it, and a lot, more would not know, you're right, the percentage-wise- Yeah...
8:58
they give them a couple hundred bucks than, than would. And let me tell you something, if I don't like the dealers, they're getting nothing. Okay, there you go. Okay. If I don't like the dealers, they're getting nothing.
9:08
Okay. Absolutely. All right. They, they may get individual Walmart gift cards. I may go out and buy 5,000 worth and give them to the people I like, like I do on Christmas time anyway. Okay. I get 1,000 bucks worth.
9:16
Chris, I've said this before, it'll bring it to sports betting. I have heard from not one, but two different contest winners, people that we know, right? Who? This is simple.
9:27
Two different people who have decided, I'm sure they text a lot of people, not just me, but I've gotten texts from them, where they're like, "What do I do?" Right.
9:35
The most anxiety, like they've gone through a whole season where they're, they're weighing every single pick. Well, if I pick this and my competition does...
9:41
Like, they've gone through a whole football season, they come out on the top of the mountaintop, and then their biggest anxiety, I don't wanna say their biggest, but it's close, it comes afterwards when they're like, "What am I supposed to tip?"
9:52
And I know at least one of them, their relationship with the place that gave them that big pile of cash for winning the contest has forever been hampered because of this. They view him as a bad person. Yes.
10:03
And trust me- Yes... he is not a bad person. We have to deal with the, the, and deal and, and with, with the casinos every day, uh, guys like me, you, Kelly, and we have- Yeah... to deal with them every day.
10:14
So if you win a million dollars in the circuit contest, you're telling me you have to give a tip based on that, where someone comes from out of town, they're gonna see them once a year, maybe they feel that they don't, they don't have to give them a tip.
10:24
I have to show face every day, and, and if I, but again, if I, there's a s- there's a couple tellers in this town I do not like.
10:31
Do you think you're gonna be tipping Planet Hollywood tellers maybe if you don't like them, if you win a million bucks? [laughs] The, the- No, I'm just saying- You mean the guy that calls security on me? Yes.
10:39
Yeah, I'm sure. Right. There you go. This is Steve, Steve Fezzik.
10:42
Uh, "You better tip 20K at least or zero," he says, "Because if you tip something like 1,000, rightly or wrongly, many casino workers will actually be massively offended.
10:52
By example, when I play black chips in 21, dealers," he, he voices his texts. Yeah. It's impossible to understand. [laughs] Yeah. "Have acted massively offended when I tip $5." Right.
11:01
Well, yeah, five, $5 is, is the- You see, the nothing, 'cause the nothing you could play Nicky the Dunce. That's correct. Yeah, you could just leave it all. Nicky the Dunce. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Nicky. Yeah.
11:11
I just, I just think this specifically is a really, really tough example of one. Because of- Because you're talking about such a small bet a- and winning so much.
11:20
Is it the small bet or is it the speed at which you won it? And you're like, "Oh, $5," it just happened, right? It's- No, it's a small bet to me... it's not winning a super contest, for instance.
11:29
And the guy only won it for 300 bucks, by the way, I heard, so. Oh, really? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So kind of interesting. It'll always be the great debate, man. It's, it's, uh, you broke it down well. Mindset, man.
11:41
Great debate. Crackman, @BillCrackman with a K, more with Bill Krackenberger, Numbers Game, Visa, the sports betting network.
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12:37
Best listeners in the game, we get tweets at Beating The Book, always appreciate the, uh, feedback. Uh, Jimmy Lopez, "Rumor is someone at Sigma Derby got their fenced cleaned over the [laughs] over the weekend."
12:47
No, fence painted was the, was the, uh, loop. Fence painted, yes. Fence painted and the, and, uh, porcelain beaked. Porcelain beaked. Mm-hmm.
12:54
Just to follow- I was, I was trying to think was that like a Karate Kid reference or something, but no. Oh, no. You looked it up? Yeah? No, I didn't look it up. [laughs] All right. Just Apollo Vsin, it's our friend Bob.
13:03
He says, "Would you agree that it's easier for one team to matriculate if they can get the opposing team to capitulate?" I would. Uh, Jesse Welch, [laughs] "Gil Alexander greater than Richard Jefferson," he said.
13:13
[laughs] To the chest stuff. Oh, uh, Mark Decard, he says, oh, we have a tennis pick. Uh, Marozan, he says on the, uh, picks page, is, uh, playing Marozan, I think he said, according to his brother.
13:25
No, he's actually playing, uh, Andrey Rublev as a big dog, plus 189. That is a bet that we have on the vsin.com/picks page, all the tennis picks the night before.
13:35
Every host, every guest, every sport, vsin.com/picks for Survivor. So yes, I am on, uh, Fabian Marozan against Andrey Rublev as a big dog here coming up. That's one of the picks. Um, here's one.
13:49
ThreeJackH3131, "Gil, do you know of or plan to host a podcast on Survivor strategies? And just so Kelly feels better, I also keep a running list of bets I need to make. Have a great day, gentlemen." Such as you.
14:00
We should do, we'll do a whole Survivor thing here on the show. I don't know about a podcast, but we might. Um- I worked my list down today. Got, got that Coco first qu- uh, fourth quarter bet, bet, uh, in. Yeah.
14:10
Uh, Canada laying seven, uh, against Greece on Saturday. Look at you. Okay. I'm getting involved. Ca- Canada versus the fighting Yanises. Fighting Yanises. I'm sure his teammates are great. Yeah.
14:21
[laughs] Master- I'm sure they're great people... master of puppets. Just a flat... Okay, talking about the tipping now, Billy. Okay. Master of puppets, just a flat 10,000 to the dealer that dealt is my thoughts.
14:32
That might be a good number. I, I, I- That might be a good number. That might be a good number. That, that feels like the right number. Yeah, that might be a good number. I think that's what I would do.
14:40
I think that's exactly what I would do, too. But- That, that's a good number... any, any more than that, you know how I know any more of that is not real-life stuff?
14:47
Because if you have a wife or a girlfriend, and if you were to tell them that you gave them 40,000- Oh, boy... you're in big trouble, boy. Yeah.
14:55
Auburnist, I like Auburnist, "Hit a slot for 5,000 last year and had no idea about tipping the attendant.
15:02
Went back to the casino the next month and found the guy and tipped him after friends told me about, uh, the fact that I should have. First time I had hit a, uh, hand pay, so I had no clue."
15:13
Yeah, that's, that's a good- Yes. And you know what? That's what I'm talking about.
15:15
And you know, people, for people saying that I'm talking about tipping and over-tipping, I, slot, I wish the casinos would pay the slot attendants more so I, they wouldn't depend on making a nice living off of me.
15:27
I actually, I, I do like tipping, but they have to split it, and, you know, I, and most attendants are very nice, but I, I'd like to tip individually. I like to tip individual stuff.
15:36
You know, speaking of which, there are six casinos in this town. I don't know if you guys know this, that if that happened, that dealer does not, does not have to split the tips. They keep their own tip at the table.
15:48
Stratosphere. O- OYO? Is that what it's called, OYO? Mm. OYO. Tus- I think it's what it's called. Yep. Tuscany, Ellis Island. OYO? OYO. I thought OYO. O- O-O-Y-O. Yeah, the one- I thought OYO... the old Hooters.
16:00
Yeah, it's what, it's what he said. Yeah. He said OEYO. OYO. It's OYO. Oh, OYO. Yeah. Or what is it? OYO, OYO.
16:07
[laughs] Oh, he, uh, so The Strat, Tuscany, Ellis Island, OYO, uh, Silverton, Binions, they keep their own tips. Table for table, they're on the table, so that's pretty cool. Yeah. They keep their own tips.
16:19
That's, that, that 10,000 would be a, oh, my God- Well, but-... a shot in the arm... I, I agree with Kelly. Do you win 2.2? If I give 10,000, I don't care what they think about me after that.
16:30
Like, they, they just gave me $10,000. Uh, Auburnist says, "How would I get?" He says, "First time I hit, how would I know?" Yeah. Uh, Chris Hartman- I mean, Auburnist, great, great on you- Yes...
16:39
for actually going back and finding this guy. Yeah. Awesome. Uh, Chris Hartman, "Gil, does Crack tip on the pre or p- post-tax number?" That's, that's what, uh, the, who just asked? Chris? Chris Hartman.
16:50
No, but I'm saying Chris Felica just asked that, too, just 'cause I- Well, 'cause you started talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know what?
16:55
Probably not thinking right away and being spontaneous right after the hand, I, I just throw the tip up there. Free. Free. The right number, though, is supposed to be after tax probably.
17:04
Right, but when- But I would- But, but no one's doing that. But no one's doing that. Yeah.
17:07
Yeah, so it's, uh- As, as I was saying during the break, uh, Gil, if anybody remembers the great Dumb and Dumber scene where they're unloading all the stuff they just bought. [laughs] I could say whatever I want here.
17:15
I'm sure in the moment after winning $2 million, I'd be like, "Here you go. Here you go. Here you go." Right. Right, right. To that guy over there, there you go. Here you go. That's true.
17:23
[laughs] Uh, this is from Paul Medina, "Hey, Gil, uh, w- we will be going to Vegas in October, having dinner at the Italian American Club. Can you ask Crack to recommend a couple of his favorite dishes?" Oh, yeah. Sure.
17:34
Um, they have, I, I think they have the best veal Parmesan in the city, but they also make like, um- Ooh... uh, the, these, I, I can't think of the name, but, of the, it's a chicken dish, and it's got like a salad.
17:44
Come on, man, what kind of an Italian am I? It's got a salad on top of the- Chicken Parmesan... it w- uh, no, it's not Parmesan. [laughs] There's no red sauce.
17:51
It's got like, you put like, um, lemon on it, and then of course there's like, I don't know if it's radicchio or some, there's some kind of a, a thing on top.
17:58
But anyway, and also get the, um, I- Beans and greens, which was actually known as peasant food years ago for the poor. I mean, literally. Now it's a, it's an in demand food. It's, uh...
18:10
So, so beans and greens and, and of course, uh, you wanna sit...
18:13
If, listen, people don't, don't notice about Italian American Club, if you don't, if you wanna talk and converse during the meal, you do not wanna sit anywhere near the entertainer who's always up there.
18:23
Great, great entertainment they have every night. You wanna sit in one of the further rooms away where you can hear your guest or talk.
18:28
So if you're, if you're there to have fun, drink, party, laugh, scream, yell, and, you know, dance with the guys, and there's people that dance up there, believe it or not, uh, by the stage. There's a little small stage.
18:38
You wanna sit there. If not, uh, I like sitting away and then going up and, and, and, uh... And that's a place they have to take care of it.
18:44
There's a guy outside that watches the door, watches your car, 'cause it's not in the best area. Oh, you, you and I know. The, the, there is literally a guy at the Italian American Club. Yeah.
18:52
The first time you go there- Yeah. I've never been... you, the first time you go there, you see this dude and you're like, "Is this guy, like- Yeah... gonna jack my car?" He's shaking people down?
19:00
Like, I, you don't know who he is. [laughs] And then you figure it out. He's there ca- you know, just protecting you. He's just protecting the parking lot. That's where it's at. Yeah.
19:05
Opens the door, holds the door for you. And, uh, I always throw him, you know, five or 10, and he's happy as can be. And, uh, he'll watch your car.
19:12
But then, then, then there's a maitre d', and then, then there's the guy that's playing the piano on- But you're, you're also the guy that will not let people pay for a meal either, which dr- Like one day, Bill- I let someone pay last week.
19:23
One day I'm gonna knock you down and I'm gonna pay. Yeah.
19:26
No, I mean, I'm, it's- Uh, this is, this is Grant betting X Factors, "I always tell the dealer if we hit the big bonus bet we're going to Hawaii, and they can bring their family." Wow. I like that. That's unbelievable.
19:34
The hypothetical, uh... I, I like that, where you're like, "Hey, you can come to Hawaii with me," and see if they take you up on it. That's cool. This is from, uh, Nasty Neil, Neil Galbreath.
19:42
He says, "Hypothetical question for Bill. If, uh, you won $100,000," pick your amount he says, "when making a random visit to a state," oh, this is good, "are you returning to that state to tip?
19:52
Are you getting their PayPal in case you win to send money?" Wow. That's a, that's a really nasty, nasty thing, Neil. No. [laughs] No, that is a interesting, uh, subject. So if you're in a, in a state...
20:04
Yeah, the, I, I like that though. So you get their own information and tip them personally. It's kind of along the lines of, of what I said tipping them outside the casino. Very good. Very good.
20:12
Oh, okay, before you get to your topic, can I get this one? I have no topics. Go ahead. No, you said you have a robbery one, right? Oh, the robbery. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get to that after the break.
20:18
But- [laughs] Things I talk about. Yeah. Tipping and robberies. Go ahead. We got a robbery thing coming up. Hold on, this one... And that was in Prim, right? Yep. Okay, we'll get to that.
20:25
This is also from Jimmy, uh, Lopez. He says, "Does the Crack Man have any thoughts on the cheating computer scandal at the World Series of Poker final table with the winner running simulations between hands?"
20:36
Oh, yeah, I seen that. I, I, I heard about that. And, uh, he was running to the, his friends and seeing what they, you know, I guess at their, what their,
20:43
the range of hands they were holding or something, or what, what they did in situational things. It's cheating, isn't it? Maybe I don't understand it more.
20:50
Well- I thought it was cheat- Well- I looked, Daniel Negreanu just did a whole thing on it yesterday. I didn't listen to it.
20:54
Um, it sounds like it's, you know, giving the players an, an edge that are playing in the game if you know what someone else did in a previous hand when you made a certain bet or something, if they folded, will that work again?
21:06
Because you're knowing what they did on video, that sounds like they're cheating. I mean, I, I don't know. May- maybe I'm- I mean- I probably shouldn't comment not knowing the full scope of it, but it sounds like it is.
21:16
I would, I'd be shocked if the World Series ever allowed that, something like that again. Again, that's my point. So it l- If there weren't rules on the books, then technically he's not cheating, right?
21:25
But yes, to, to your point, they'll never, I would imagine they'll never let that happen again, and it's certainly against the spirit of the whole thing, right? Like- Yeah. Yeah... I mean, that's for sure.
21:35
With the guy that runs the World Series of Poker, he's a clown. So with him, I'm sure anything can happen, so that was a little shot at him. I can't think of his name right now, but- Uh...
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he's not, not, not a favorite of mine. So I can't believe that they wouldn't, they wouldn't fire him. Um- But yeah, that's ridiculous... it's ridiculous that, that they would do something like that. Yeah.
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I don't know the details of the story either, so I don't, I don't wanna go out, but, like, any outside assistance- Of course... if that's what's being talked about, I mean, that would be against- Outside assistance...
21:58
that would be against the rules completely. And if that's what's going on in the cards- It sounds so obvious that I'm, uh, that we have to be wrong. So wait, so he gets up from the chair, consults, and comes back? Yes.
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Oh, come on. On the breaks. I mean, like that might- Yeah. There's not much of a difference then between what he's doing and being like, "Yo, yo, I got, I got pocket eights. What should I do here?"
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Like, that's, it's the same thing. Outside assistance is outside assistance. It, it does sound like it. It really does. Um, it- All right. Well, we'll come back for your robbery story in Prim. Yeah. All right.
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We always root for the bad guy. Why? I don't know. Yeah. I root for the guy to win. Maybe 'cause we got a little gamble in us all. [laughs] Uh, Bill Krackenberger, ladies and gentlemen, @BillKrackman with a K on Twitter.
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Bill Krackenberger with us, @BillKrackman with a K. Uh, Wise Cracks, the name of the podcast. Uh, we get not only tweets, but we also get texts from people we know, uh, in the industry.
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Uh, Tim Lawson from the Better, uh, Better's Life, he says, or the Better Life, he says, uh, "10,000 to the dealer," in the example, "10,000 to the dealer, and then another 5K in tips around the casino after dinner, drinks, et cetera."
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But they, now they're still gonna split that in the most case anyway, so, like, the 15,000 you could just give anyone.
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But I understand it makes the, makes everyone feel good when they get thrown 100 bucks around the other- Yeah... so that's pretty cool. The Better Life, of course, the name of Tim's great podcast. Yeah, I like that.
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Oh, yeah. He's a good guy. Yeah.
23:37
'Cause there are, there are spots, like I've got, like there's a couple bartenders in town, like I've tipped, I've tipped out after hitting on a table way far away from where they're working, 'cause I just like people.
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You're a good guy, Kelly Billin Yeah No, I think, I think that's kind of what Tim's talking about though. There are certain- Do you go to bars, or do you go to bars and play video poker at the bar? Yeah, yeah.
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So like some of those guys that have been- Yeah... there while I'm playing- Yeah... right? I'll tip out while I'm playing video poker, but maybe- Yeah...
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I'm playing blackjack or something, I'll still swing by and- It's really nice of you, 'cause most of the bars have terrible pay schedules. Mm-hmm. So for you to, you know...
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But if you know the bartender there, you tip him out, and, uh, you'll probably tip a little bit more 'cause you're- Yeah... used to the bartender. Yeah, I like them. Yeah, you like them.
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Michael Manassano, who won the, uh, Circa Millions Booby Prize the first year, $100,000, he says, "Wait, so Fez just said that people would be insulted if they're tipped too little?
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So zero is better than 10,000 or whatever he tipped anything?" Um- That's what, that's what Fez meant... he said, "What world do we live in?
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LOL" But he goes, "For the record, I did tip Matty and Tony my proxies when I won the 100K. It was my personal choice. No one told me I had to or not, and it doesn't make me a better person for having done it."
24:46
That's a whole different subject. He said, he said he... That is a whole different... He goes, he goes, he goes, "By the way, if I won a million, I would not..." So in other words, on his 100,000, he gave them 3K.
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He goes, if he won a million, he would not give them 30K. And I'm with him on that. Right. Mm-hmm. I agree with that. I get it. I think, I think there's something to that. I get it.
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Like when that guy sa- you're saying he sat down at the table 300 bucks? Yeah. Like that, I think, I, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I just think it's tough for, for a lot of people to get to 40K then.
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Uh, our buddy Chris Valaika, The Bear. Yep. Um, he felt obligated to the, to tip the young lady who punched his tickets at the D last week.
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There weren't many of them, but the manager behind the counter knew who I was, and we were talking. So I was like, "I don't wanna be that guy to look like a jerk.
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I mean, I didn't tip much, but I'm so worried about being seen as a bad guy if I don't. In the end, it's not that much, not the end of the world for me." Um, but what he just said is, it resonates, which is
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you're- He was only betting though. He wasn't cashing. I think he was cashing some. Okay. I thought it wa- okay. Um, but I'm just saying, w- whereas like
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that's what, what we were saying off air, which is the people who, who aren't tipping what the Vegas people, quote-unquote, "think you ought to be tipping," they immediately make a character assessment of you, right?
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And you're like, "Oh, s- you have no idea, like, what you're talking about." It, because- So true... because most people don't know. Yeah You know? Anyway. But, but guys like us, it, it'll get around.
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Oh, that Gilogg's- Oh... that Bill Krackenberger. The worst person ever. And, and, you know, it gets around, and- Trust me, they'll lie about you anyway, Bill... it's all misplaced rage anyway. Being behind- Mm...
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a counter dealing with people, it's a tough job. Oh my God. Imagine being a horse race writer at like the South Point dealing with a horse race player. They have a horse race side- Oh... just horse racing. Yes.
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Oh my God. They blame you for anything. "Don't tell me good luck." You know, you hand the tickets back to the guy- "Don't tell me good luck" [laughs]... and you say good luck to the guy.
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"Don't you dare tell me good luck. That's bad luck." What? What? Like- That's, see that's the other thing, like these- Like what are you talking about?
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The, the, the Vegas type who thinks these are, are legitimate laws of the land. The, what about the $50 bills? Oh, don't give me that 50. Oh, you can't, don't give me a 50. Oh. Don't give me a 50.
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You know, a- and it's funny. In a gambling establishment, they'll tell you, they'll say to you a lot, "Would you like to kind of give you a 50?" They know. Someone asked me. Yeah. They know to ask you- Yeah...
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rather than just hand you a 50. Yeah. So Chris was only betting. And my only bet sometimes, like I'll do... I was at Foxwoods at the, at the DK, and I made a ton of bets.
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Yeah, I'd throw him 20 bucks because, you know, they, they just ha- I just tied up the counter and, and, uh, you know, and, and they, they book horses there, so. What's your, what's your Prim, uh, robbery thing?
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What happened? Oh, I, I, I thought, like I just figured everyone knew. I don't, I don't know. Oh. It's like, it was like a story on the news. But how- however, you, you know what?
27:20
Someone else I talked about this the other day did not know, so you're right. You know what it is?
27:24
When these type of things happen, the press really doesn't want, the, the casinos don't want you to know that someone jumped behind the cage and stole money. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
27:33
Well, this was Prim Valley Resorts, and, uh, I just read this story again, a, a follow-up to the story. So Prim Valley Resorts, which is, by the way, they closed all the tables there.
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How did these, this husband and wife couple know that there was gonna be a good amount of money in the cage at a casino that the, the tables are closed, but yet they go behind the counter and they slip in for an hour they were there.
27:58
An hour? An hour. I'm reading this right now. It's incredible. [laughs] Not being seen for an hour. And they, uh, they, they go, and they're not seen for an hour, and steal...
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And the only reason why they got noticed, by the way, is because she left the drawers open- Yeah... and some change spilled out on the floor. The coins on the floor. The coins on the floor.
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They were like, "What, what is that?" And I mean, they could've been there all day, could've had lunch. Um, but yeah, so, so they were there. She, she left the drawers open. [laughs] Yes.
28:24
Got, got into the casino's cage area through a small hole- Yeah... in the cage bars. What? And matter of fact, she was so small, and it says here, I'm not, I'm just saying, she's a very small Asian woman, she was.
28:35
She was so small she s- fit through this cage. That's incredible. And it's almost like, uh, what's that? Ocean's 11. Remember the little guy in Ocean's 11, right? Yeah. Kelly's thinking, a crime I could not commit.
28:46
I know. Well, and- Kelly and, Kelly and I... and be like, do you deserve it then?
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Like, if you're, if you're building your cage with the, with the bars too wi- like, you know, if we're gonna throw someone in prison and the prison bars are too wide- Right... I don't know.
28:58
How did you, how did you escape? I walked out. I walked out. [laughs] 650,000 in cash. For some reason they stole 27,000 in table game chips, which they could never cash in. But these weren't- Good luck with that...
29:08
these were real geniuses anyway. There's only one way in and one way out, Route 15. [laughs] So they, and, and by the way, let's drive our own car. This is the gang that couldn't rob straight.
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They drive their own car where there's cameras outside everywhere, and they took their own car and of course they were, they were caught a couple of days later, later. But it just, I was just like, wow.
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They, like how can you not have a better plan? But, uh, by the way, everything was re- was recovered days later except for $300, uh, of the 650,000. But how can you not have a better plan than to, uh...
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And, and, and then another thing, how can this casino have that much cash on hand? Literally there's one slot attendant in the whole building. It's not an active casino.
29:50
The, it sounds like something, now it doesn't say it in the article though. It sounds like a little inside something going on here. Here, here, here's my question.
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So we've been here long enough to, we've heard all kinds of variations of this story.
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How often, without actually knowing the stats- This hap- would, would you agree that this hap- happens way more than we would've possibly- Way more... guessed it does? Major casinos, by the way.
30:11
Major casinos, and that they get further a- away than we'd imagine they could get with it, right?
30:19
I- your impression is, oh my God, if someone did something that brazen in a major strip casino, this is not a strip casino, but in the cases that it, that it was, someone could never get away with it.
30:28
They couldn't possibly even get off the property, and yet they do. Bellagio. Yes. There, listen, people don't wanna talk about this one.
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The Bellagio, a guy comes in, motorcycle helmet, comes in, goes to the table, robs chips. They never find him. He comes back again. Came back. Again, like six months later.
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His, his- I don't know if you know, I don't know this, Kelly, but, uh, burglary 101, always return to the scene of the crime.
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[laughs] His luck ran out, and literally really ran out because not only did he get caught, there was just h- it just so happens there was two bike cops outside in the north valet.
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So now he gets out, he comes out the building, he's gonna rob it again. He's got his little motorcycle ready, and someone yells, "Cops! He just stole." And the guy, like, gets killed. They, they shot him and killed him.
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They shot him and killed him. Shot him and killed him. So, um, yeah, I think it was a judge's son, too, if I remember. It was, like, a, a famous judge's son. [laughs] A judge's son.
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But yeah, and then of course we know about this, the, uh, uh, I was thinking about saying it, but the, the, the Hilton was robbed.
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The, back when it was the Hilton or, or a, a couple times and, uh, maybe even the Westgate it might have been. And, uh, yeah, that was robbed a couple times, too. And they, they're, they were talked about, but not...
31:39
You know, understand our media is controlled, except for The Numbers Game, uh, is controlled by, uh, the casinos. They control the, the newspaper and most of the TV stations and stuff.
31:51
If something big happens, then, you know, it's, it's gonna be, be reported. But, you know, a small little robbery, couple million, eh, let's not talk about that. So- Yeah... um, yeah, it, it happens.
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People get crazy ideas and, and, uh, this, this was so crazy that, you know, husband and wife in, on, on their cameras, on their, you know, their own car. So I just thought it was an interesting, uh, subject matter.
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Yeah. The, uh, well, the part I haven't been able to, uh, stop focusing on- Oh, you're reading it, okay... was the, was the, was the bit you dropped, Bill, about $300. Yes.
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They didn't spend on- So, so you're, you're, you're brazen enough to go o- go out and pull off something like this, and y- y- you didn't, you d- you don't go spend any cash on the road?
32:30
And it was, it was, like, four days before they got caught. Wait, wait, what was the $300 part again? Everything was recovered except for $300. $300, yeah.
32:38
So you had multiple days to spend money and you didn't do anything? Also, you're right, the chips part is bizarre. The chips part.
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While, while we're at it, let's, uh, take these chips for later cashing when we return- We'll come back... when we return to the scene of the crime.
32:51
Yeah, I mean, it, it's amazing when you, when you read these things and sometimes there's not thought. By, by the way, the one, the Bellagio one was all chips. There was no cash.
32:59
It was all chips, and, uh, he was going around trying to sell the chips to high limit poker players. [laughs] And he's like, "Oh, here's a $5,000 chip. Give me 4,000." Yeah.
33:07
You know, like, he was trying to sell them 80, yeah, for 80%.
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And, um- I told you about the one at the Wynn where s- a dealer was, like, pocketing, and they could, they, they knew that he stole it, but they couldn't figure out how he got it out of the casino.
33:20
Oh, yeah, I remember this. And then they realized, oh, he went to the sportsbook and lost it all. Oh my God, that's crazy. There, people are allowed to gamble in their own casino. Yeah. Yeah.
33:30
But, you know, the sportsbook ought to have been more savvy about this. How is this dealer here at this casino- [laughs]... betting all this money on sports? With chips every time. Yeah, [laughs] exactly.
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Gil Alexander, Kelly Bidlin, and of course, The Crack Man, Bill Krackomberger, who hangs with us every Thursday here in the 11:00 AM Eastern, 8:00 AM Pacific hour.
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We were talking about you earlier, uh, today on the show, how you're, you're here no matter what, Bill. Oh. And, uh, Kelly, uh, quipped. What was your quip, Kelly? You remember your quip? No, we pay him enough.
34:45
I said we, we- Yeah. Yeah. I said we, we, whatever you're getting paid, it's just a phenomenal record- [laughs]... is what we're saying.
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Well, now that, uh, DraftKings is out of here, yeah, the guy, let's get this Bill D on the horn. [laughs] We get tweets at Beating The Book.
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Chris Heath, I had a feeling The Crack Man tipped the door guy over there at Italian American Club, you know? Yeah, you gotta get the door guy something.
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John Trombetti, the entree Bill was referencing was chicken Milanese. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Thank you for that. That's exactly it. Great, great entree over there. Chicken Milanese. Uh, this is from, uh, MY.02.
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He says, "In a perfect world, slot attendants should keep tips. However, the penny slot players would be waiting forever for just a paper fill.
35:22
We tried it once and our slot attendants turned into, quote, 'jackpot jumpers,' unquote, hovering around high limit." He's right. Stringfellow Hawk, "How often do you tip before service to ensure promptness?"
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Oh, there's a- I do that sometimes. Do you really? Yes. Yes, I do. I think it's great to do in restaurants, believe it or not. I know it sounds crazy, tip your waiter ahead of time.
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But if, you know, you're giving them 25% ahead of time, maybe they'll, you know, just make sure you fill, like, refilling my Diet Coke. I used to, I used to do the cab line thing before Rideshare. Yeah.
35:48
When there was, like, a major line for, like, taxis, I'd just roll up to the front and be like, "If I give you this 20, will I get to the front?" He goes, "Absolutely." It is so absurd- Yeah...
35:56
how often that still works in this town. It's incredible. And then cocktail waitresses, yeah, absolutely. If I'm sitting at the table or something like that, it's, yeah, first drink, here's a little extra for the tip.
36:05
Okay. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be here for a while. Here's my final subject on tipping. You just hit it. So I was at one of the Bucket of Bloods over here the other day. Bucket of Bloods.
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Uh, Four Queens, they had a promotion, so I was playing in there. And, um- Ah, what a brazen cocktail waitress. So, uh, uh, my friend and I- I didn't know where that was going.
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[laughs] My friend and I are in there, and, uh, we're, we're playing video poker, and they have a really good machine there, a good promotion. And the girl comes over. Um, we, we ordered drinks.
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We ordered, uh, two bottles of water and a coffee between three- between us two. So I give her $6. He walks away to the bathroom. I give her six bucks for the three drinks.
36:42
She puts my two drinks down here and puts his coffee over there, and was-- actually turned to me and said, "Is he gonna tip me?" Oh, my gosh. Wow. I just thought it was the most brazen thing I've ever seen. Yeah.
36:54
Oh, my God. I mean, uh, two bucks a drink. I, I know it's like, you know, that's what... You give six bucks for three drink- And said-- I said, "Well, I just gave you six."
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She goes, "Okay," and walked away like, like, you know, a little bit of a dunce. But like, "Is he gonna tip me?" I've never heard a waitress say anything like that. "Is he gonna tip me?" Wow.
37:11
That's exactly what she said. We got more. By the way, Felika says he was just betting. Yep. Yep. He wasn't chatting. Uh, Matthew Livingston, World Series of Poker actually had it in their, [clears throat]
37:20
in their TOS that solvers, et cetera, were against the rules. But he consulted the rail and ran solvers, and World Series of Poker did not enforce said rules at the final table.
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Most people assume they were just watching the stream. Changes will be made next year. They've gotta be made. Definitely. Uh, Todd Chrysostomo. At an MGM property, there was a host invite blackjack tournament.
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At the final table, one guy says, "Let's split it, and I'll pay the taxes." They all agree. He goes to the cage to cash out and splits the casino with the cash. Nothing the casino could do.
37:53
Splits-- Oh, splits the casino with the cash. Left, yeah. Left. Wow. That sounded like he split it right. No, he just left. Right, right, right. Yeah. Wow. Uh, oh, this is a great question.
38:01
This is a great question, and we should have asked this about the tipping earlier. I think this is wonderful. From Brian M: I may have missed this, but what are Bill's thoughts on tipping based on how you're running?
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Yes, this is always the gambling conundrum. He says, "If you go to Vegas with 10K, you're down 9K, and then you hit for 15K. Would you tip on the post-tax 10K, or would you factor in you're basically even?"
38:22
It's a great question. Great question. You know, Kelly and I were just talking about during the tip—or during the tip—during the, the break about tip, about what do you tip?
38:28
Let's say you're down a thousand bucks, and you get the thousand back playing. Now you're even. Is the only winner gonna be the slot attendant? And guess what?
38:36
I've walked out of casinos saying to myself, "The only winner was the slot attendant." Yeah. Yeah.
38:39
You know, I've won a, hit, hit a $4,000 royal and, you know, give the-- and I, I was down 1,500 or 2,500 and lost back to where-- whatever it may be.
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And yeah, y-you're supposed to tip based on that win, but, you know- You know what the, the macro version of that is? No. Is that in tax code in some states- Right...
38:59
you, you can-- you, you gotta tell us all about your winnings, but your losses don't matter. Yeah. Like, some have that in their tax code. They had to change it.
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Our buddy, uh, who's on my panel, Sean, he had to change it in West Virginia single-handedly. Yes. No, you're right.
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I, I-- when I do my taxes at the end of the year, I file an extension, and, uh, yeah, there, there's a, a large, you know, looks, looks like it puts me in a different tax bracket 'cause I hit so many jackpots.
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But I have, I have to write most of them off if I'm having a losing year, and, uh, it's, it gets to be a hairy situation. Yeah, go. Manny Davidson, Kelly's UFC strategy is a go-to for me.
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Go to the Vs and Picks page, put everything in the bet slip, take out the contradicting picks, and play the rest, basically an ATM machine. There you go. Shout out to all our UFC people.
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Johnny Vegas, first time I'm in Survivor and Circa Millions this year. My friend lives in Vegas is putting my picks in. Told her I would give her 10% of any winnings.
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If I take one down, what is 600K or a million bucks at my age? I'm 51. I'd be glad to give it to her. 51. [laughs] I like that guy. I like that guy. I thought he was gonna say, "I'm 81." He's like, "I'm 51. I'm 50."
39:58
No, I like that guy. 50 years old. Uh, Trip Tepper, did the Bellagio ever catch the pig man? The pig man. Wow, he's right. The pig man, which, which was- Yeah... yeah, by, by the north entrance also. Yeah, that would...
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See, we don't know. Yeah. We don't know. Good, good question. Jesse Nix, check out the High Roller Heist podcast. It's the story of the Bellagio heist. Thank you for that recommendation.
40:16
Keno Walker, also great to tip cops for arresting a, uh, dumb criminal. I'll take out his, uh, language. Get these people off the streets. They're making it bad for the real ones. Keno, my man. Yeah.
40:28
I got something for you. Yes, sir. [laughs] Oh. Oh, here we go. Here we go, Kelly. This is our favorite topic. [laughs] Now, these are 75 cents, 57 cents, 54 cents, 67 cents. Cash vouchers.
40:41
I refuse- Bill takes them around for tipping... I refuse- There you go. [laughs] I, I refuse to give these to the charity 'cause I don't trust you're giving them to the charity.
40:50
I don't trust your accounting when the machine says, "Do you wanna give this change to the charity?" No, I don't trust you, so I'm not gonna do that. Uh, yeah, so my thing is, it just came out yesterday.
41:01
What do you think these-- You know, and by the way, what we're talking about, people, is when you cash out of a machine, you know, $28.18, it won't give you the 18 cents. They say it's a coin shortage. Yeah, okay. Yeah.
41:12
Coin shortage. [laughs] Yeah. Uh, so, so that-- now that that's what they tell you, and it's, it's all a, it's all a scam. It's, it's all about making the money, and the number came out.
41:20
I didn't know they were gonna make it public. The number for the year in Las Vegas came out. 24.4 million last year of unclaimed vouchers. Oh, my God. 24.4. I didn't know this.
41:32
The casino only gets s- I didn't know this till yesterday. Kelly, our buddy had like what, 10 million of that, you think he could keep? Yeah, probably, bro. [laughs] 24.4 million dollars?
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20.44 last year, and of the 24.4, I didn't realize this, the state gets 75% and the casino only gets 25%. I did not know that. I thought the casino got it all. Wait, of what? Of the money. Of that 24.4.
41:53
Wait, the state gets how much? The state gets 75% of these tickets that are unclaimed. Everybody's been to an ATM machine in their lives where they've walked up to, to withdraw money- In Vegas...
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and then-- In Vegas, right. Correct. Yes. Pardon me. In Vegas, yeah. Not in- [laughs]... not anywhere else. Where would it be? [laughs] And you walk up, and there's a v- and someone's abandoned their voucher- Yes...
42:09
'cause it's right, it's like, ah, 87 cents, whatever. But you're saying take however many million of those, and it adds up to 24 million. 24.4 million last year alone here, and, um- I'll just tell you, you know, um,
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I, it's not about being cheap and getting there. I'm just not going to give that money to the state and the casino cumulatively. I play a lot of video poker and stuff, so I'm not gonna do that.
42:34
It's not about being cheap at all. I just, uh, when I see these numbers... Listen, uh, what change, what happened to the change? Did people start saving the change after COVID? I mean, uh, before COVID?
42:45
I, I don't understand what happened. Why is there coin... Let me tell you why there's coin shortages. Because it's real simple.
42:50
The casinos now don't have the hard counts where they have bags of coins and filling hoppers. Right.
42:56
It's, it saves them millions and millions of dollars because we know, of course, that they need those, uh, they need the money and then they don't, you know, I mean- But those, so what's the protocol from the casino?
43:06
With those leftover slips- Yeah... so the, you're talking about the 75/25 split. Yes.
43:11
So at the end of a day or shift or whatever, they're all supposed to be collected and returned to the cashier where that money's counted up in? I, I, I guess they know what, what change is missing- Okay...
43:20
and what change is not counted after a certain period of time 'cause after they expire. They, some expire in 30 days. Someone sent me a ticket that expired in 14 days. I couldn't believe it.
43:28
So 30 days or 60 or 90 days, whatever it is, 180 days. And, uh, by the way, guys, so you guys know at home, we talked about this before, talk about it again. Don't be one of those people- Don't...
43:38
that go around the casino looking for those tickets- Tickets... and, and taking them. That is technically robbery. You'll be 86'd from the casino and maybe even trespassed if you do it multiple times.
43:49
Kelly and I knew a guy. Oh, you guys said that. We know a guy who did it, and we gently, we gently- [laughs] Don't laugh. We gently advised him maybe 1,000 times- [laughs]... you probably shouldn't do this. Wow.
44:00
And finally, it was someone in the casino who, who actually took a, took a, a kind way of doing it, said, "Hey, knock it off." Wow. Yeah. Well, I'll see you guys in a couple weeks then. Yes, sir.
44:12
Are you, are you back on the, the week after? Yes, sir. All right. Back for good. Back for football, baby. Boom. Bill Krackenberger, everybody, @BillKrackman with a K. Wise Cracks is the name of the podcast.
44:22
Always fun, Billy. Thank you. Guys. The great Bill Krackenberger. You'll know him from the Kangle. We've done all we can do. Best Bets is next. Enjoy, from VSAN, the Sports Betting Network. [upbeat music]
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