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Mar 26, 2026
A Numbers Game | March 26, 2026 | Hour 3
A Numbers Game | March 26, 2026 | Hour 3
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0:01
The numbers tell the story, they always do. So all those idiots who believe in analytics- This is the Numbers Game with Gil Alexander on VSiN.
0:09
Hour number three of the Numbers Game at VSiN, eSports betting network, vsin.com, GamePlus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV, SiriusXM Channel 158. Gil Alexander on the heels of Joe Sheehan followed by Dr. Bob.
0:22
Bob had a filibuster with all of his college basketball plays. Uh, once again, for those who missed it, Bob is on Houston tonight, half unit play on Purdue, and then he leans, but no plays, on both Arizona and Iowa.
0:34
Good to hear for those of us who are taking Iowa and survivor that at least he leans that way. Uh, we get tweets beating the book. This is from Primetime Leon Sanders who says, "Yo. Hey man. I get why Dr.
0:44
Bob dislikes the pioneer thing. Would your brother like to be referred to, uh, as a Conestoga wagon driver? No, they are doctors. Show some respect for the love of Todd Wisniewski. Peace and love."
0:58
Uh, this is Doug Tuttle who says, uh, "Tailed you on Gore/Cy Young, also tailed Mitch Moss on Trevor Rogers/Cy. Added Peralta most wins at 50/1 and, uh, Lau most triples at 15/1 as well."
1:12
Uh, Stu Magoo is, uh, got his survivor picks quantified. Thank you for that. He says, uh, by, based on his percentages, feels like Iowa's a trap play. No trap, Stu Magoo. No trap. Proper play for me. Tim Bowers, "Dr.
1:25
Bob bringing the heat." Ryan Hyatt, "Fact: perhaps the greatest Dr. Bob segment on VSiN ever. For Gil, management may force him to claim that segment as vacation time. [laughs] Great stuff, guys."
1:35
And Colin Murphy, uh, "You can't be remotely, remotely upset if Dr. Bob picks don't hit. Those were some grade-A breakdowns.
1:41
Even if I like the other side in any of those games, I could not bet against what I just listened to. So thorough." Colin, that is the point of the Bob segments.
1:50
As thorough as it gets, and, uh, the research, and not only the research, but the modeling of all this stuff, no one does deeper dives into college basketball, and for that matter, pro basketball back in the day, pro football, college football, than the great Dr.
2:05
Bob. That said, Kelly's behind the glass because it's time for Unscripted with the Crag Man, Bill Krackenberger. Let's go.
2:11
[upbeat music] Oh, yeah. Billy. Good morning. Good morning, sir. Nothing like opening day baseball.
2:28
I know yesterday officially- We have, we have the bunting out here. Oh. You see this behind you? I see... What, what, what am I looking for? The bunting.
2:34
It's with, with the, uh, sort of like the draped over American stars and stripes there on the C. Oh. Yeah. Wow, like, yeah, that certain stadiums have. Yeah. Well, I know they're doing some stuff down there for the A's.
2:45
Uh, there's, there's a lot of people from media, an opening day for the A's, and, you know, it's still amazing, some people think that the, the A's aren't, are not coming to Los Angeles.
2:54
Some, some people still believe that. Yeah. They're building, they're building the stadium. I mean, they're building this, what are they building it for? I mean... But look, let's just look at Cincinnati today.
3:01
Look at that. Look at Cincinnati today. Look, look, just look at opening day fest- you know, festivities. Look at, look at how beautiful that is. Yeah. It's just the Reds just... And I, I've been there.
3:10
I did a Fox show from there. It's a cr- unbelievable area there where the stadiums are, and, uh, it's just so cool. I- Cincinnati's beautiful 'cause it's right on the river there. Yes. Over- overlooking Kentucky.
3:21
Um, beautiful area there for, for the great America's small park, as we call it. Um, yeah, just a Americana. What a...
3:28
And Cincinnati is, as, as was pointed out by a tweet earlier, remember f- when we were kids, they would always have the opening day. Oh, okay. Um- Okay. I don't remember that. Yeah.
3:37
So in other words, that was opening day baseball was Cincinnati? It was always the Cincinnati Reds who had opening day, and then that shifted through the years when TV contracts came out.
3:44
ESPN would start doing opening nights, Sunday nights, and the world evolved. In my opinion, this is a better Thursday than last Thursday.
3:51
You have, uh, I, I just seen golf on out there, but you have baseball, you have Sweet 16, you know, when it, when it really counts. I mean, this is a great, this is a great couple days. It's great.
4:00
I agree with you, it's awesome. I don't know, last Thursday still- Yeah, that was p- pretty pumped up. Oh. How about the people that were yelling behind us at, at, at 10:00, and Kelly also first, 1:00 to 10:00- Yes...
4:11
1:00 to 15:00? You know, I looked, I started looking. I did not look before then. I started looking a little bit- Mm-hmm... after that.
4:17
So the South Point, I went to the South Point for games, and they were screaming and yelling for 1:15. Tennessee played, I think, Miami, a- a- and there was Miami Ohio.
4:29
So I, they were screaming and yelling for the, for the underdog, and it just so happens Tennessee actually won it in the last second, like 15-thir- 13 or so, and the room was silent.
4:40
I'm talking about thousands of people were upstairs. Mm-hmm. They, they, and they, they had a showroom upstairs where I watched the games, which was excellent. Um, the old, it was like walking into the '80s.
4:48
Like a, there were a dollar for things, $2. [laughs] It was like, it almost reminded me of the Masters where you go for food, it's still a dollar for a pimento sandwich. So, um,
4:56
but I, I, I s- started looking then, and I did not look before that. I'm saying, "Wow, one person stood for Tennessee, and the rest of them were all upset." They all had the dogs. Hmm. So and then I run into Vinnie,
5:11
and Vinnie says, "Bill"- The great Vinnie Mailho... "we can't get any money on the favorites." Yeah. Everyone's betting the dog. We have guys coming up betting 500 on every single dog.
5:20
Now, I look into the pri- Vinnie, I, you don't know this till right now, I, I thank you because I didn't look into that market until Vinnie said it.
5:30
So now I look, South Point, they're forced on the favorites to have like minus $1.50 when it's minus 210 at the shops that I respect. Wow. Um, one was minus 22 to... Whoever was 30 point favorite that day
5:45
was minus six to one there. It was minus 20 to one. Actually, not, not 22, 20 to one at BetMGM, plus 10 to one, plus 1050. I, I was just like, "You know, I'm not even gonna scalp these. This is the wrong price."
5:58
And just so happens that I actually went 7-0 thanks to Vinnie betting the favorites. Betting all the favorites. Betting all the favorites. Now- At great prices...
6:05
the next day- Yeah The next day's a little different Not so much The next day I started out four and two. Even though I was four and two, I was down. I bet a dime on each one. [laughs] I was down 2,000. I was mad.
6:16
I was- Oh, they were giving a dime on those? Nice. A dime. Yeah Dime at the counter, nickel on the app. Still right now, nickel on the app- Oh... dime at the counter. I was down the next day. I got a little taste of it.
6:24
Duke, l- I laid 200 on Duke where literally, uh, it was minus- [laughs]... 300 or 280. Yeah. And Duke didn't... And then another one I said, "Oh, is that what happens?" I, I was, I wasn't, I usually never get mad.
6:36
But that's- I was just mad at, I, I, the, all the public screaming and yelling and, and I was like, "All right. This is my lesson with this." But I wound up breaking even for the day.
6:45
Yeah But I, it didn't, I, I did good the first day, but thanks to Vinnie, I wouldn't even have looked at that mark at first to 15. But that's, that's, I, it's a beautiful thing.
6:52
By, by the way, we always give Jay Rud credit for being the first guy to put up those first to 15s. He used to do it at MGM. Really, MGM? Yeah.
6:57
Okay He used to do it, and it was always, like, 10, 12 years ago, it was always this weird thing where only a few people knew about it. There was this, this little murmur that would go up- Right... after Vinnie.
7:06
But I, I love everything about that story because it's exactly how things should go, right? The public should play a dog up to 10 or 15- Right, right... right? Because it's a small sample size. Sure.
7:18
You could get the plus money, but then the books adjust accordingly, and so you then find the value on the other side. They needed money on the favorites. Yeah, exactly. But then I thought about it, too.
7:28
I, I, I admit it. I thought about something the next day when I, um, I got a couple in the next day, and then I didn't get any in the second portion of the day, or even the day after, the, the day after that.
7:39
Sunday, I had, didn't have a single play. And I said, "Could it be possible someone at the South Point said, 'What are we doing? Why are we giving Krackenberger 7,000?'" Yeah "What are we doing?" Yeah.
7:49
"Just let, let, let's us just keep the money on it." I, I don't know, my, you know- I don't know. Who knows?... the hypothesis, my brain.
7:54
But it was a good, it was good while it lasted, and I wouldn't have known about that, so.
7:58
Um, but I knew everyone was screaming and yelling, uh, for the f- first to 15, but it all started here, and I talked about your show here- Yeah... with many different...
8:06
I, I talked about it on so many different networks about how we were sit- sitting here and people were screaming for the first 10.
8:12
That's really made me look at it first, but then when I went over to the South Point and I seen people, you know, screaming and yelling for, uh...
8:18
And then when I seen that Tennessee game and only one person standing up and going to cash in, I said, "What? Wait a minute. That one guy won, and everyone else, the whole room got quiet." Uh-huh.
8:28
I was like, "Wait, I gotta look. I'm gonna look into this market." They were, now all of a sudden, they were speaking your language at that point. I'm telling you, it was minus 20 to one, I laid six to one- Yeah...
8:35
on, on, you know. That's fantastic. Yeah. The, the, uh, yeah, and by the way, Vinnie, uh, the great Vinnie Maiolo over there, who, the, the funny, I will say, first of all, I haven't spoken to Vinnie in a long time.
8:44
I think Vinnie's up- upset with everything, but he, uh, I love how Chrissy Bimbshbook, after all these years of knowing Vinnie, he [laughs] still mispronounces Maiolo. He called Vinnie Maolio.
8:53
[laughs] After all this time. Uh- I texted Chris yesterday. Yeah You know, like, I, I, I text him on his phone, and he must get tired of me texting him. No.
9:01
But, but this, this, this text was, I'll, I'll, 'cause I'll text him at 9:00 at night. Yeah I said, my text yesterday, I said, "I'm gonna see if I can find Chris."
9:08
I said, "Hey, Chris," for some reason, okay, uh, I did a, I, I did some interviews yesterday. I said, "Did you guys go back to 10 cent lines? It sure does look like it. I hope I didn't get that wrong."
9:18
I, I just gave that to a reporter, and he texts me back just a one-word answer, and it went, "Yep, dime lines in baseball, mi- minus 105 on hoops." I mean, what a great promotion. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
9:29
105, minus 105 on Sweet 16 sides- Yeah... and five cent baseball's back. Did you know this? I did not know that. Five cent baseball back.
9:37
I was, I was like, wait, I'm looking at some of his lines, and I'm like, minus 150, comeback 140. I am not- I said, "Did we, did we go b- did we finally get 10 cent lines back in town?"
9:47
I'm not s- I'm not speaking for anybody. I'm not speaking for Mych Shbooko 'cause I haven't spoken to him about this. Okay. This is just me, me s- f- just my opinion- Yeah... what I think.
9:58
I think going away from the dime lines there was dictated from above. Yes. And I think the above, if you will, finally got smart. I think the volume went down- Yes... big time. I think so.
10:11
I, I- And the, and they finally were like, "You know what? We..." Maybe they admitted they were wrong finally internally, and they're like, "We need to go back to dime lines."
10:16
Today at South Point, give you an example, Phillies versus Texas. Phillies minus $1.55, comeback plus $1.45. Yeah There is not one sportsbook in town that has that juice. Nope. You know, not, not one sportsbook in town.
10:30
So I'm looking at, I'm looking at a sportsbook right next to it, minus 155 the same way, comeback $1.30. Come on. Look. Come on. Look, comeback $1.30. Now, I, I got, I gotta tell you- Come on...
10:43
how can you beat that juice? No. How can you beat that? This is, it's- And you know what? And you know what, like, the prediction markets, like, at Novig? Minus 116, plus 114 last night on the Giants- Wow...
10:53
Yankees game. Wow. So, I mean, just think about it. Well, explain to people how that works though now. Do, do they pay a 1% commission on top of that? Oh, now you're getting me into- Okay, I'm sorry... the whole thing.
11:01
'Cause, 'cause each one of those is a different- Oh, it is... model. Yeah Okay. 'Cause even if it's two cent juice, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I, well, I, listen, I'm, I'm very happy to see it.
11:09
I did not know this happens. So- Yep. Shout out... it was Stations and, and South Point.
11:13
Stations went, went, followed everyone else, and this all happened because of the big sportsbooks that came to the country- Mm-hmm...
11:19
conditioning America to laying 20 cents on baseball when we laid 10 cents forever at every single sportsbook in town. So that's a shame. Thank you to South Point for the, the five cent line.
11:29
Oh, which reminds me, which we'll talk about after the break 'cause we got a commercial break, which reminds me of, remember that promotion we all ran to at Virgin last year? Yes. They didn't do that this year, did they?
11:38
I think they, they, they sold the book. [laughs] They got... They're, they're done. That's right. [laughs] We'll talk about that on the other side.
11:44
Unscripted with the Krackman, Bill Krackenberger, @billkrackman with a K on Twitter. Coming back on the Numbers Game at VSiN. [upbeat music] You're here because you want an edge.
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Andrews on Twitter, "Gill and Kelly, always love your intellectual humor and any reference to Airplane!, subtly highlighting those on the leaflet makes me smile every time. [laughs] Keep up the great work, fellas.
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Happy opening day." Makes me smile every time too, A. Andrews. Uh, Winning Streak. Winning Streak is with me, uh, Bill. He says, "I have to disagree with Crack. Last Thursday, electric." No, it wasn't electric.
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I just said now it's less, it's less, it's less craziness, less of a crowd- Yeah... and, and just baseball. I love, I, I grew up with baseball. I love baseball.
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Montreal Max, "All hail the dime line return as that has been my biggest beef as these new books use wide lines on all things to gouge the public and regulators should be focusing on that as a priority one, and dealing tight lines for years always gave the bettors a shot."
14:02
Yes. But as you said, Bill, like, how, how are you supposed to beat -155? Skip from Grande, he's rolling over in his grave. Max knows who that is.
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He had dime lines up to $1.80, um, a- a- and made millions of dollars, millions and millions. If he can do it, why can't everyone else? They could, but they just choose not to.
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Remember all those offshores in the '90s, like BetJamaica? Yes. Dime lines up to -190. Spiro was in the Hall, got put on the Hall of Fame this year. Yeah. He owned BetJamaica. Yep.
14:27
And, uh, yeah, he had dime lines and this, uh, this was the video I put up last week. I mean, look at the food menu, $2, a dollar, $2, two... Everything's two bucks. I mean, over at South Point. I mean,
14:38
that's the way it should be. I, uh, and, and they had over 3,000 people there. But the one I wanna talk about, I went through every single sports book, but, well, every single sports book that I think counts.
14:48
I was here, South Point, The Win, and I was in the, like, uh, like I said, and Westgate. So I put this one up last week. It was $12,000 I told you for to rent, to rent that spot. Mm-hmm. The guy had 25 guys there.
15:00
I thought it was worth it. I just went there now to check. It's 4,000 for today, all you can eat and drink. 25, you could bring 20 of your friends there comfortably. Yep. I, I think it's worth it.
15:11
It's a g- great spot to watch games. 4,000 bucks, all you can eat and drink for 20 people. Um, I, I just thought it was fantastic. The Win, really, I, I, I was there too, The Win, just a classy, classy place.
15:24
Uh, I, I went to The Win, yeah, I went to The Win the other day. I just thought it was... I love The Win. It's beautiful. The Win Sports Book- Absolutely beautiful there... I put a tweet up, though.
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So the, I went to The Win two days later. Here, "Sports books across America are loving this," and, um- [laughs] Bill s- Bill's swipe it off calls. Right, yeah. Action only minutes before tip-off.
15:43
There was 100 people in line. Oh, look at that. Uh, that- that's outside- Yeah... the sports book. Goes into the sports book. 100 people online at 8:30. Well, games start at 9:00, and I thought about it.
15:54
Bet says something, he's right. You know how hard it is to win at that time with 30 minutes to go? Right before tip-off, yeah. Right before tip-off. Yep.
16:03
I think it's a really hard time to win, um, a- and just, just looking at that. Now, look at this one. John Mahaffey put this up. This is a freebie, by the way, over at Circus Circus.
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Of course you may catch hepatitis- [laughs]... but it doesn't matter. You know, it's, it's, um, it's free. Look at the couches. Just you [laughs] might get a rash. Other than that... This is...
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Look, how can they put the car... I mean, what are they doing over there? I didn't even know. I couldn't believe that's Circus Circus. That's Circus Circus. Wow. They, they put these couches out. Yeah.
16:32
And, um- That's great... after further investigation, these are literally from 1975, I think, when, um, what's his name? Uh, Jay Cor- Jay Sarno owned the joint. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, but it's free.
16:44
And there was- When's the last time you walked into Circus Circus? Uh, believe it or not, last year I went to dinner there at the steakhouse, and it was... I couldn't believe how good it was.
16:57
The, the, 'cause the steakhouse is called The Steakhouse. I went- All, all your tests were negative afterwards? Yes. Yeah. Well, The Steakhouse- Yes... is just such a classy place, believe it or not. Yeah. Still is.
17:04
That was a top joint 30 years ago. Mm-hmm. And Ronnie, the maître d, still there. I think he's 34 years. He's still there on Saturday and Sunday. Same maître d. Steakhouse is so good.
17:16
You're, you're, you're literally sitting in a pit almost. They're cooking in the bottom. You can watch them cook around the bar. Right. Hook your steak, flame broil, flames up, a- and, uh, the greatest sides.
17:28
The mushrooms are great. The steak was great. I talk good and bad about places. Yeah. So I'll tell you right now, The Steakhouse is still fantastic. Um, just speaking of talking good and bad, The Durango.
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I was over at The Durango with John Arlando, and he, he, he, uh, he was, he was there for the, couple of the games, and what a great, great building. These floor to cealo- ce- ceiling windy, windows.
17:51
There's a restaurant there overlooking the sports book. Uh, the George maybe it is? The sports book is very cool too. What a great spot to watch games. Yeah. And, uh, there's indoor, outdoor seating. Just a great spot.
18:03
I mean, even though I'm not allowed to bet on the app, it doesn't matter. I, um, give you the, the good points of it. Um, perfect example, Arizona, who'd they play? Utah State, I believe. I think they, Utah State.
18:13
They were 11 and a half point favorite at game time almost everywhere- Except for stations. They were 12 and a half. Hmm. What do you think it landed on? I'm gonna guess 12. 12. Yeah.
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So it's, it's, it's good to have them in your repertoire. Uh, right now, if you're betting underdogs, it's always good to have stations in your, uh, uh, arsenal. I, I wanna give a shout-out to, uh, Steve Zabin.
18:33
Uh, Steve Zabin, who, uh, if you grew up or if you, if you lived in Washington, DC, the DC, Maryland, Virginia area for as many years as he was on, he's, he's the greatest, greatest sports radio
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personality in the history of Washington, DC- Wow... I would say. And then he, he, he was in Milwaukee for many years after that. He was, he was beloved there as well. He was also on national radio in between as well.
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But Zab- he does his ZabCast, uh, podcast. He was in town. He was kind enough to have me on the podcast with his friend Armen and Mr. X as well.
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But I, I, I bring them up, not because they're, they're all great guys and they were kind enough to have me on, but because they are also lovers of Las Vegas, as people who don't live here. Yeah. Right?
19:14
And they also lament how corporations have taken over and how this Vegas gone by is this, this thing we all sort of still chase.
19:26
And so I just, you know, for those listening to you and they're like, "Well, these guys are all talking about..." It's, it's people... It's not just people who live here, right? Yeah.
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People, people still live for the nostalgia of what it used to be. Sure. And so every little nook and cranny that you can point out that is still great- I try to do that... yeah I try to point those things out.
19:41
You know, it's funny, the corporations, they wanna get away, they don't want no one to know that the mob was involved here.
19:46
They don't want anyone to know that th- they used to give away comps out of a, out of a handwritten book. They don't want no one to know that kind of stuff. Yeah. Um, they're getting away from that.
19:54
They want everyone to pay for their meals, pay for their drinks, f- pay for their show tickets, pay for their rooms. Um, I just think that
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casino corporations themself, they just don't take care of people like they used to, and it's simple. I know I'm a broken record, and I think we all are.
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It's because of the mentality of people that come in and run the places- Yeah... that don't gamble. Don't gamble. They've never gambled before.
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They come from, you know, college with nice, their nice fancy degrees on the wall, and they just expect people to spend money and pay for things, and also they expect you to be a sucker.
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They expect you to lose your money and laugh and have fun and leave. You know, it does happen in Las Vegas compared to Atlantic City. Atlantic City is, you know, I'm gonna even say Baltimore,
20:40
uh, it's a different crowd there. They come in, they're day-trippers. They come in there, they expect to win. So it's a tougher crowd.
20:48
Being a dealer in Atlantic City compared to Las Vegas, it, Las Vegas must be a, so much easier- Yeah... if you realize that- Yeah... how much easier it is to be a dealer here. There, sometimes you're getting cursed dead.
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I mean, they, they, they curse you out if you lose 'cause they expect to win. Mm-hmm. They're going there to win. They're there for the day. They're not staying. They may not even go for a meal.
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They're not going to see a show. They're coming in to win. They're going to gamble to try to make money to pay a bill. Imagine that? Imagine what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I went to a dentist recently- Yeah...
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and my, the hygienist said to me, "You know, um, Bill, I, you know, my..." She, they know me in there.
21:25
"My, my sister, whenever the things are tight, she tries to go to the local casino on Boulder Highway, and she tries to play video poker or keno to, to get the bills paid." Oh, no. No, but I think about that- Yeah...
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I'm not making fun of her. No, I know you're not. I think about that and think about how sad that is- Yeah... but how much that goes on closet gambling-wise. That goes on all the time.
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These are all things casinos don't want me to say. "Bill, why? Oh my God, it's Krackenberger. He's talking about... He's gonna hurt our..." I'm not gonna hurt no one's bottom line.
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All I'm doing is telling you that with that kind of mentality, you have no chance to, to, to make your bills by playing negative EV games. Only there is a chance you make a score, and you can make that kind of a...
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And, and you can pay your 15... She mentioned it. She said, yeah, she won 1,500, and she was able to pay, pay some of the bills. She goes, I, I, I don't...
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Now, at this point in my life, here in s- we sit, middle of 2026, I don't even tell 'em anymore. I say, "Oh, that's a shame. I hope she does well." That's all.
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There's no one saying, "Well, she shouldn't do this because of this, because of that." And- There's no one even saying that...
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and Bill, and even as you and I have talked about ad nauseam, and even if we say it 1,000 times- Doesn't matter. That's why... it doesn't matter. Yeah, the parlays. Yeah. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
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Everyone's gonna play parlays. Yeah. Even though the books make- I tell it-... 60%... my oldest friend Tommy, I told him, "Hey, I, I went six and one this week." "What do you mean you went six and one?
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You never, you never make bets." He goes, "Oh, I subscribe to this service." Like my oldest friend in the world, right? Right. He's a dentist, right? Right.
22:51
It's, it's the equivalent of me going to the, to a guy on, down the street corner from him, and I'm like, "Hey, can you yank out this tooth for me?"
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And me saying to Tommy, me being like, "Oh yeah, I just got my tooth yanked out down the street from me on the street corner. You don't mind, do you?" It just is- Yeah... people are gonna bet how they wanna bet.
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23:51
Matt Trudell, "Gil, ask Crack if he has future baseball picks. Sorry if I missed it in the first segment.
23:57
Last year I tailed him on the Red Sox bets he made, uh, went at the Hard Rock in Florida, plus 125 or plus 225, but we cashed. Thanks, Crack, man. Anything baseball?" Yeah. I'm trying to think what I, what I, um...
24:09
I guess that was the Red Sox. May- maybe he seen me down there. I don't know if, I don't know if he's saying he seen me that day there, 'cause I m- I've seen a couple people. It's amazing, Gil. Again- Yeah...
24:18
I wanna tell you, it's amazing the outreach that this program has in South Florida And, um, I love my South Florida peeps It's unbelievable. Yeah. Like, I, I, how many people come up to me about Vison?
24:30
Not, not Showtime, not Fox. Yeah. It's Gil. Uh, th- those casinos there, yeah, they, they have a lot of, a lot of your people are there. And, um, even Louisiana, I went to Louis- Why did I go to Louisiana?
24:40
I went to New Orleans, the Harrah's there, and drove two hours for a promotion to another casino. I don't know the name of it, but it was really nice, the casino. In the middle of nowhere.
24:49
You're in the middle of the Louisiana swamps, and this giant building- [laughs]... comes out of nowhere. Like, wow.
24:54
It almost reminded me of, like, Barona in California, driving these windy hills, and all of a sudden this beautiful megaresort comes out of nowhere. But I was in Louisiana.
25:03
Literally, uh, two or three people come up to me and said, "Hey, we watch you on..." Uh, uh, don't mind me, I'm sorry to say this live. "Are you on YouTube TV?" Yes. Yes, it was YouTube TV. Yeah, mm-hmm.
25:12
Nice to know that I know about all these things. [laughs] That's right. But, yeah, and they were just so nice, and, and I...
25:18
People ask you for winners, and I just try to tell them, "This is what I'm doing, but, you know, like, I'm gonna lose 40. Should I add 100?" Yeah. I try to tell them. Yeah.
25:24
And I ran lucky down there with them, so maybe that's what he's talking about. Or it's the Red Sox. I gave out some futures Red Sox and Twins, I would think. I bet that was it. Um, I'm going to... I'll DM that person.
25:33
Okay. Yeah. Uh- That's it... I'll DM, I'll, well, 'cause I think it's, it's an efficient market now. There's no...
25:39
I'm not gonna give nothing out and, and, um, you're betting into a market where, uh, season wins and losses... Right now, though, uh, I, I would think it's pretty efficient.
25:50
And, like, I know Fezz and a lot of the guys were on the Pirates over. Well, it moved six games. The, the Pirates win, regular season wins. I- there's only one way to play now, I think. I, you can't bet over...
26:03
I don't know the number. Let's say it was 80 and a half, and now it's 84 and a... I, I don't think it's that high, though. You can't tell someone that went over 80 and now is going over 87.
26:14
The only thing you could do is bet the under, in my opinion. Yeah. There, there's no value on the over. Fezzik and I had this conversation about the Pirates, right? The Pirates started out at 74 and a half.
26:23
Oh, I think it, it was the Pirates. Yeah. I don't, I don't know why I said that. It was the Pirates. And then they go 78, seven and eight and a half. Yeah.
26:27
And then, and I asked Fezzik at the time, I'm like, "When is the buyback?" And he li- [laughs] he literally said his word, "Within an hour of first pitch with the Pirates."
26:35
He literally said it goes right before the game- Oh... the first game starts. Wow. Is the buyback. Yeah, so there's no- 'Cause he, he really believed in that momentum. Yeah, there's, there's, there...
26:44
Really right now there's, uh... You know, when it becomes pretty profitable, do you do this at all? I don't know if... I don't think they do this here at Circa. I don't even know if they do it at We- I...
26:53
There are sports books, I know MGM does it. After the day is over, they put up season wins on all the, all the teams again, and every day they'll have an adjusted season win price. Yes.
27:05
I don't know whether the sports books do that. Oh, so w- listen, listen, this was the thing.
27:09
When we did primetime action, uh, Matt Brown, Kelly, and I, and I remember the first time they put out, Kelly will remember this, the first time they put out, I think it was DraftKings that put out adjusted NFL, NFL- Oh, they def- DraftKings definitely does.
27:20
Yeah, NFL adjusted season win totals. DraftKings and FanDuel also. But, but before, like, 2020- Right... no one did that. I never heard of that. Yeah. They put up the season win totals before the season ended. Yes.
27:31
They were taken off. Yes. And once the season started, you never saw that, you know, it was graded at the end of the year. I think Caesars does too.
27:36
I'm not sure, but I, but I know that they do that, but you're right though. They never did that. But, but my point is, is we become so normalized to these markets that didn't exist a minute ago. Like, they, there was...
27:47
2019 these did not exist. Right.
27:49
And I used to say, uh, people will remember who've listened to this show and listened to the podcast for as long as, uh, you know, into the last decade, I used to say, "I'm involved in this off-the-grid stock market," like- Right...
28:01
season win total thing. That's off-the-grid stock market. Which originated, which originated at Lehman Brothers. Yes. You know, no names.
28:06
And there was an NFL adjusted season win market, there was an adjusted college football season win market. In s- typical stock market fashion, it was a buy/sell market, so there were really sharp market makers doing it.
28:17
Yeah. So it was really tough to beat. It was, but it was phenomenal. And then legalized sports books really just within the last six, seven years did it. All this stuff, right? Season wins in general. You know the story.
28:27
Sure. 1989, the concept of season wins did not exist. And for those who have heard this story, pardon me for repeating it, but Jimmy Vaccaro is at whatever casino he was at at the time. The Mirage, I'm sure.
28:40
And remember, remember the Cowboys are supposed to suck, and this was the year that they ended up going 1-15. And before, by the way, their only win was against the Skins.
28:49
Um, th- before that season started, some guy came up to, uh, Jimmy Vaccaro in a, in a, uh, in a Cowboy hat said, "Say, uh, how many wins do you suppose the Cowboys could win this, this year?" And Jimmy was like, "Huh.
29:02
Uh, let me, let me tell you, let me think about that, kid." And he came back with the first ever season win total. This was 1989. This did not start, you know, in, in, you know, after Christ, right?
29:13
This, this did not exist from the beginning of time. So cool. And we take all this stuff for granted. Yeah. Well, we live in an era where all this stuff now is, like, uh, you know- Yeah... commonplace. Yeah, yeah.
29:22
And like I said earlier on the, our earlier segment, even I'm learning sometimes the first to 15 market, that's something- Right... that's brand new, and, uh, it, it could've been exploited there.
29:32
I, I don't know- With, within the last 10 years. Yeah. Yeah, it was in the last 10 years. Yeah. Um, that, I didn't know Jimmy came up with that. I did not know that. Jimmy with the season win totals? Yeah.
29:39
Yeah, that's Jimmy Vaccaro. Yeah. All Jimmy. You know, I interviewed a pool player, a billiards player, who I knew when I was a kid. I knew him, he didn't know me. He was a great, one of the greats, um, Rodney Morris.
29:49
I put him on my, my podcast, and a Ha- uh, Hawaiian, he's from, he's from, uh, Hawaii, and he, he, uh,
29:56
he was telling me some of the stories, and I asked him about Jimmy Vaccaro put the odds up on these pool billiards guys here in Vegas. [laughs] They came here.
30:05
It was like a, you know, a championship coming to Vegas, The Mirage, giant advertisement. Jimmy said, "Let me put the odds up on the players."
30:12
And he put like, you know, Johnny Archer three to one, Steve Mizerak 10 to one, and, uh, you know, w- all the different great players. [laughs] Buddy Hall 20 to one. Yeah. These were some of the great player...
30:22
I used to love billiards and pool, as you can tell. And, um- Every time you bring up Mizerak, I say the same thing. The Miz. Even, even if you're just showing off- Right... from that Miller Lite commercial. Right. Yes.
30:30
Lite beer from Miller You know, and I, that's, that's- Yeah... the guy I was friends with. Yeah. I was f- 'cause my dad knew his dad in Perth Amboy, New Jersey.
30:37
He was a school teacher once, and he retired to Florida, and I, I, I, I loved Steve. But, um, so they put the odds up. I know people don't like me talking, "Oh, my God, don't be talking about this."
30:48
Well, Roddy and I talked about it, so I wanna talk about it now. Jimmy Vaccaro decides to put the odds up on the players, and they see that he's, puts all the odds up. The worst player there is an older, older man,
31:01
Spanish Mike LeBron. You know, it's- [laughs]... all kids in their 20s. Yeah. And then you have, like, a couple of the older guys. Miz was 38 and 40. And then you got Spanish Mike LeBron. Spanish Mike LeBron.
31:12
How old was he? 58- Oh... years old. Ancient. He's 50 to 1. Uh-oh. Well, you can't put up odds like that and expect pool players- [laughs]... to play on the level. That's right.
31:25
The 50 to 1 quickly went to 30 to 1- [laughs]... quickly went to 10 to 1. And if you watch, anyone can look, you can look this up on YouTube, you can watch the Vegas event, buddy halls in the finals,
31:38
desperately trying to lose to Spanish Mike LeBron. He had, like, a straight nine ball, and a bug got in the way, and he m- miscued or- A bug... something. Yeah.
31:47
And, uh, Spanish Mike LeBron wins the longest shot on the board. What do you know? I can't tell you how much money The Mirage lost. The first bet was 1,000 to win 50,000, I know that.
31:57
So, uh, you know, you can't expect billiards players to be on the level. They all got together and said, "What are we doing? It's a $100,000 prize pool." That's right. "There's 20 guys.
32:09
We each get $5,000, so we split that up, 100,000, 5,000 each we get. Now, we got that 5,000 guaranteed, rooms, food, beverage, great stuff. Let's win some money now in the b- sports book." That's right.
32:22
That's, isn't that an unbelievable... It's a story that people don't like to talk about, the, the, the, the world of, uh, billiards doesn't like to talk about. Yeah.
32:32
But, uh, listen- I never, Jimmy, Jimmy never told that story... lay downs happen. You know, the pool halls, you know, all across America have had guys go in and not play good and make themselves look worse.
32:41
Roddy talked about that on my show. Speaking of which, though, John Orlando yesterday, he was in a seniors tournament. He's over 50 now. So- Looks great... I, I told him, I said, "John,"
32:51
I said, "You have to see, you have to see his girlfriend." Anyway, um, I said, "John, h- how... So you're in the seniors tournament here for 400 bucks, and you, you did good. You were, you were doing really good.
33:01
You were in first place for a lot of it." He loves playing poker, and poker loves him too, by the way, and he's still, just looking to make that giant score.
33:07
Poker's coming here in, in a couple of months, the World Series of Poker. Mm-hmm. I said, "John, what was the rake in the poker tournament?" He goes, "I, I, I don't know." [laughs] He doesn't know. That's right.
33:16
I said, "Well, John, you have to know what the rake is." "I don't care what the rake is." I said, "Hold, hold it, John. So if there's a 25% takeout, you're still gonna play?" He goes, "Yeah, of course."
33:25
Like, "Yeah, what does it matter? The, the rake doesn't mean anything." It, it's, it's unbelievable how many people don't know- Yeah...
33:31
the rake or how much, you know, uh, sports betting is 4.5%, parlays are double digit. They don't know the household, just like I didn't when I was a kid. Let me tell you something, I didn't care going to the racetrack.
33:41
I was still betting into the 20% pools. I didn't know. But at this time in your life, John, I'm saying poker. But he brought up a point maybe some of the listeners are, are, will agree.
33:50
He goes, "Bill, the World Series is bringing people from all over the world to this building. They have to make money somehow." Yeah, on the $15 hot dogs they sold, they sell. That's what I say.
33:58
You think people are gonna be troubled by mathematics? That's right. It's like, what's the, uh, what's the, uh, ace or Vegas runner I used say? He goes, "Gil, there's no juice if it wins." Right.
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35:28
That's the only baseball play, uh, that I have today, as, uh, 22 other teams are in action today. So looking forward to that. St. John's tomorrow night in college hoops. My, uh, survivor pick is Iowa tonight.
35:41
Is that covered? I think we covered those. So I, I, um, wanna talk about a couple things before we go off air here.
35:48
First off, so the first week of March Madness, I was 16 and 6 on my releases, which is good, but, uh, the reason why I'm saying it is I use a combination of...
35:58
You ask me sometimes about this, like, "Bill, you don't do your own work anymore. You have other people do it for you, and you, you... Based on that."
36:04
So I have three sources for college basketball, one of which is Alan Boston.
36:08
I will take his stuff into consideration and, and, uh, rarely I will bet against him, but sometimes I do if, if my other sources is, is strong enough, uh, to be against him.
36:19
So Alan and I did two podcasts, which went very well, lots of views, and he was, he was successful. Uh, he was nine and five on his first podcast with me, and he just did another one with me.
36:28
Randy did one yesterday with me too on college hockey, which he's very good in college hockey. Randy McKay? Randy did one on college hockey. Um, games are Thursday and Friday Great stuff.
36:38
But, um, I, I, I just was thinking about, um, in general how hard it becomes in later rounds. So, like, this round, like, Alan only had one play. He had 14 last week.
36:52
Going on to the finals, how efficient that market is compared to early in college basketball season, even early in the dance, the first couple weeks. So it gets tougher and tougher.
37:04
I know people are getting excited for, you know, March Madness tonight and, and, and, uh, we're still Sweet 16, Elite Eight, down to the Final Four. I'm just letting people know it gets tougher.
37:14
And so we're not gonna be on, I'm not gonna be on for another week. It, it gets tougher and tougher here as- Do you remember what Alan's play was by any chance? Alan's... Th- this week? I, I don't. Okay. I'm sorry.
37:22
All right. I, I don't. Bad desk. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah, I know Alan and... I think Alan and Randy met. I- Randy gave out a couple, only a couple plays too. Um, but it's only a 12 or 13-minute podcast with Randy.
37:33
Maybe, maybe you guys wanna give it a watch if you thought it was very good. So Gil, gambling coming to New York, these three casinos that they're gonna build here, we talked about it in this space before.
37:42
They are probably going to be the most successful casinos in the United States. They're gonna... Um, they'll outdo the Hard Rocks in Florida. Why?
37:50
Because the casinos that are in New York are in the Catskills, upstate, uh, you know. It's in the, it's in the culture. This is, uh... I'm gonna read from the, the article here.
38:00
These, they're calling them down, I think they said downstate casinos, but, "The downstate New York market is significant- significantly under-penetrated.
38:09
There is a strong case for each of the three projects being the top three highest revenue-generating casinos across regional gating- gaming."
38:17
And just reading this article, they're expecting about 6 bil- 5.6 billion in, in revenue. And I just look at this number. [laughs] And I am... You m- you mentioned responsible gaming- Yeah... before. Yeah.
38:30
During the break. I have to think that this will be so bad for the public in New York there. These are gonna be casinos within a, you know, by, by Shea Sta- I almost said Shea. I did say Shea Stadium, sorry.
38:42
It's still Shea Stadium- Citi Field... to most. Citi Field. Yeah. I, well, someone put up a tweet yesterday about Rodney Dangerfield at Shea Stadium. I was there that day when he threw out the opening ball.
38:51
Um, th- they... He still gets no respect. They wouldn't give him opening day, day two. [laughs] They let him, they let him throw out the opening ball. Unbelievable. So I got to meet him in the Diamond Club.
38:58
He was really so nice, such a nice guy. I wish I... I got a photo with him, got an autograph, but I, I had a minute with him. Now I respect him more. I, I'm more of a Rodney fan now. I, I was only 16 at the time. Yeah.
39:10
Now I'm, I'm... I love Rodney now. I love Rodney on, um, on, uh, Johnny Carson. That's my pump-up videos, you know? Uh, but anyway, going back to these casinos here in New York, um, s- like I said, 6 billion.
39:23
Uh, but, but at what cost to the human race? Because let me be blunt, gambling just might be more addictive than drugs or anything out there. Uh, more addictive, hurtful, harmful, impactful, and, and I just... Why?
39:40
Because it's mostly closet gambling. Um, you, you can't usually look at someone and physically tell if they're a degenerate gambler or a...
39:49
You know, unless they're, there is some actions that, that, you know, you can see nervous energy, smoking, shaking, cursing, going crazy. But if they lo- only looked at how much... And this goes for people now, everyone.
40:02
If you only wrote down a, keep a little journal of how much money you lose gambling every year, you would be shocked. Yeah. Shocked at how much money. And that's gonna... I'm telling you, New York, this, this...
40:16
Like I said earlier, people trying to pay their bills going to go, going to gamble, they got no chance. Yeah. No chance long-term.
40:21
But I- We, yeah, we got a tweet about responsible gambling, gaming asking us to do 15 se- 15 minutes on it. We don't. We just do it in the, in the na- you know, in the course of our conversation. Sure.
40:29
And again, w- the point of what we do, the point of what the network does, is to try to, as best we can, right, r- give reasoning for why we are having bets and to, to make it as sharp as possible.
40:42
That's w- that's what I try to do on this show. That's what Kelly and I try to do on the show. Here's why we're betting something. Here are the reasons why.
40:47
And to the, to the extent that it resonates with people, I think they understand that we are doing it in a sort of cerebral way. Um, you know, with the rare exception of the brain dead parlay 'cause we're, we're humans.
40:56
Sure. Um, but yes, what you're saying is absolutely right. Both things can be true. That stuff is... You know, some... I, I've heard financial experts say the biggest scourge on American finances is young males gambling.
41:12
Yes. Because your money is supposed to compound, and if you keep nipping yourself in the bud every time at, at a young age, you are doing exponential damage to your actual net worth.
41:28
And so it, it's a big deal, and there's no question it is. And I s- believe me, I told you, I said when Gracie's... When her friends in college are... You know, friends in high school. You said this. Pardon me.
41:36
Not even college. Sure. When they're in the backseat, when I'm driving them around, and then they're like, "Oh, I got all my plays on PrizePicks," and all that stuff, yeah, it is concerning.
41:43
And I will say this, I will raise my hand. If it was that available to me at that age, I'd be in the same boat. You know- I would be... Gil, this... You and I talk from the standpoint of we're not guessing.
41:55
We've both had these things when we were younger. Yeah. I'm gonna say me, 'cause I really don't... I, I was a losing gambler. Yeah. How many times I took that ride from North Jersey down to Atlantic City.
42:06
That's all we had. We had Atlantic City, we had some racetracks. All the way down, two hours, make a little bit of a score, win 1,000 bucks. I'm driving back thinking how I can get off work tomorrow to go back. Dude.
42:19
And just, I can't wait because why shouldn't I be? Why shouldn't I wanna go back? It's fun. I'm out of work. I'm having fun, and I'm making money. Yeah. You'll actually...
42:29
Your brain and your eyes will play tricks on you, thinking you can make money in the casino. "And I gotta go back. I gotta get back there. I gotta go back." We're...
42:38
Believe it or not, if you looked at a psychologist and talked to, from a s- psychology level- We're actually happier at that age. I was actually happier when I went broke. Now I can go back to work.
42:51
I can sleep eight hours. I can work. I, I have no money to gamble until next paycheck. I know what it is. This comes from myself doing it, not just hearing from somebody else. That's right.
43:01
I know, I'm sure you weren't as much as of a degen as I was when I was a kid. I was around a bunch of degens. Um, I told you, we said it here, we didn't have money to pay the tolls. We ran out of gas on the way home.
43:13
I, I, I want people to know that I talk from experience, not just from hearing stories. I know what it's like.
43:20
I know what it's like to be, you know, in the pits there and, and, and, and drive ma- And sometimes when you go dead broke and you're driving home, I've had ser- trips back from Atlantic City,
43:32
I didn't turn the radio on for two hours. I just thought about what just happened, you know? And, and, and, like, the, for two hours I was playing Sinatra on the way down, Big Shot You Are, Charlie, and going.
43:43
And on the way home, no radio, no nothing. Just, just saying, "Jesus, what a idiot I am." A- a- and I've had those trips. I, I mean, have you had any of those things?
43:51
My bu- my, from Atlantic City back to DC, my buddy, Juan, passed out in the backseat, only able to say, "Bacon, egg, and cheese." We would make the one stop, right?
43:58
[laughs] 'Cause the toll, we would try to, we would f- fly through the tolls. Make the noise. I mean, we were all dumb. Shake the rattle. We were all stupid like that. Yes. Yeah. And you were three hours probably, right?
44:06
Is that the three-hour trip? We were three hours, put in change. Three-hour trip. No, I'm just saying, so w- you speak from a point of, of knowledge. We're not just being dad saying things.
44:15
It's just that both things can be true, right? You can do this responsibly, but there is a side, and you talk about with this New York stuff. You do worry about it, right?
44:22
My God, this is gonna hurt such- You do worry about this stuff... this is lower middle-class people trying to, this is really, it's really gonna hurt a lot of people.
44:29
And, and prediction markets, which I support, now, you know, look, hey, people love betting on who's gonna get married or not married on Love Is Blind. People like betting on politics.
44:38
People like betting on will there be an 8.0 earthquake by the end of the month. I'm just saying, people like to bet. They're betting on war. Yeah. I mean, uh, this is unbelievable. Yeah. So- It really is. Yeah.
44:48
Very good. With the good comes the, uh, the bad sometimes. No, I'm glad we talked about this stuff. And, uh- Yeah... I know we're a gambling network, but we still gotta talk about everything. Still got to.
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