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May 22, 2025
A Numbers Game | May 22, 2025 | Hour 2
A Numbers Game | May 22, 2025 | Hour 2
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[upbeat music] The numbers told the story, they always do. You one of those idiots who believe in analytics? This is a Numbers Game with Gil Alexander on VSiN.
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Hour number two of a Numbers Game at VSiN, V Sports Betting Network, VSiN.com, Game Plus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV, and of course SiriusXM channel 158. It's Gil Alexander. Kelly is, uh, alongside. He's behind the glass.
0:21
Crack here in moments. I wanna read you tweets, though, before we get to, uh, Billy. SpartyKY followed up with the Corey Pavin thing.
0:27
We're, we're just tripping over the fact that Corey Pavin is on the leaderboard in the golf tournament that Charles Schwab today says, "Does Corey Pavin still hold the record for lowest driving distance to win a major?"
0:37
I don't even know if they kept driving distance stats back then, so maybe. I don't know. I'd have to look that up. Um, but that's interesting. Uh, 1995 he won the US Open, once again, did Corey Pavin.
0:48
Uh, Jesse Welch followed up with, uh, "Whoa, fancy new open for Estamos Seguros. Thanks, Moreno." Yeah, we'll continue with, uh, Are We Short tomorrow. Corbin at Corb- uh, Corbano13, "Good morning fellas.
0:59
Bit behind this morning. The Pacers comeback was one of the greatest basketball things we've seen in a long time, but can we talk about Gil's impression of a cat? Almost spat out my drink. Couldn't be more spot on."
1:07
[laughs] Glad you, glad you enjoyed it. People seem to enjoy it. Um, I was just, you know, I, I thought I heard him say that.
1:13
Mark, uh, Vancino, "Hard to believe Halliburton had" Oh, he's showing me a, uh, same game parlay he had. A seven-pick same game parlay at 50 to 1. The only leg that failed was Halliburton rebounds five plus. Um,
1:28
yeah, but you had the other stuff, so that, they had that going for you, you said. "Have a great weekend. Looking forward to Crack." That's from Mark Vancino. Thank you. Uh, this is from, let's see, Mako, Shades of Mako.
1:38
"This is probably my favorite regular VSiN segment, Crack Time.
1:41
Coming up, the Contest Reveal Show with Matt Brown, and Follow the Money's Win Some, Lose Some are up there as well," he says, ranking his favorite, uh, parts of VSiN. Uh, Uncle Bush, "What's the guarantee?"
1:51
Yes, a little later on today on Follow the Money, Derek Stevens will talk about the big reveal about Survivor.
1:58
He'll tell us what the guarantee is, the age-old question about Survivor, and, uh, talk all contests for Circa this upcoming, for, for this upcoming football season.
2:07
Uh, I ran into Derek briefly in the old bat cave here at Circa, and, uh, the only thing he said to me, he goes, "Oh, I've got something up my sleeve." He's got something up his sleeve.
2:16
And then I think as, as he was walking away and as I was going to my car, and I think I was driving away, I think I distinctly heard him say, "And go back to the D, Gil." I, I, I might have missed that part.
2:24
Uh, Eric, Big Lake Show, "This makes the Vegas trip complete meeting with Crack Man." Oh, did he meet you already, Eric? Just now. Okay. Just now, outside. What a nice guy. Met- And I, I've met him already, though.
2:32
He's a great guy. Met him in 2019. The East Coast legend was nice enough to give me 15 minutes before his appearance on VSiN. Have a great show, Bill, on a Numbers Game.
2:40
And so without further ado, it is time for the Crack Man, Bill Krackomberger, unscripted, right here on a Numbers Game.
2:46
[upbeat sports music] What up? How you doing? Ladies and gentlemen, it's the iconic- Uh-...
3:03
Kangol-wearing Bill Krackomberger. Yeah. How, are we, uh, how we doing, okay? We're doing great. What a game- What a game last night. I know everyone was pumped up. I'm, I'm hearing about it constantly.
3:12
One of the most amazing- Yeah... basketball games I've ever seen in my life. It just goes to show you, though, how, a- again, like I say, you know, I know people don't wanna hear it, some people, uh, NBA's unbeatable.
3:23
The NBA, NBA side betting. Sides. If you wrote down- Yeah... all your bets and tracked every bet, I wanna find someone that beats NBA sides- Yeah... consistently, and I can't. And I've been with the great Billy Walters.
3:36
I've, I've been around Aaron Renning, who definitely beat the sport, um, i- in the past, and I know he's, he's slowed down now doing it.
3:44
It's, I, I've been around, uh, there's, there's another guy that I'm not gonna mention his name, one of the best bettors of all time, made tens of millions of dollars and also struggled with the NBA.
3:55
And even Billy, I remember in, back in the day, you know, Billy had a season he tried to bet baseball because he heard, you know, he, he found some kind of a program and, and same thing with the NBA.
4:04
He found some kind of program two different seasons, tried to beat the NBA and lost, so- It is-... NBA sides are so random, I don't care who says what. It's Plinko. You can win any given season.
4:15
I understand you can just run good any given season, but NBA is unbeatable betting NBA sides. Not totals you're saying, you're saying sides. No, totals are beatable. Yes. Yeah. Um, props are definitely beatable.
4:26
Listen, even in this, so we're doing this, uh, I don't know if you know this, we're doing a contest. Yeah, I knew we were doing it. 15, 15 people were invited to do this contest. Yeah, yeah.
4:33
And, you know, I've tracked my Plinko ones.
4:35
Again, Plinko, the Price Is Right game where they drop the, uh, the metal chip at the top and then it bounces down the rungs and then s- picks up speed, and then picks up, you know, boomerangs back and forth and finally lands in a slot.
4:45
NBA sides are like that. They are Plinko. So many NFL games are like that, too, but the NBA sides for sure.
4:50
And if I go back and I, and I break down my, the games that I've picked, I'm one three-in-one on the Plinko bets. Last night was my first winner on the Plinko. Oh, oh, yeah, you had, you had- But, but you're right.
5:01
You have to, like I, I absolutely think that people who bet the NBA full year, I, I, I like you g- I s- it's meshugana. It's absolutely crazy. I don't understand how they do it. See, I'm talking about it from experience.
5:10
I'm not talking- Yeah... about it from a, a guy that's, uh, you know, uh, what's the word, jaded because I've lost money betting NBA. Yeah. No, I'm just telling you that I know it's a fun thing to do.
5:20
It's a, it's what the sports sites advertise, NBA tonight. You get the text notifications from the sports books, "Don't forget the game tonight." And let me tell you something else.
5:29
This is gonna be, this is gonna sound unbelievable.
5:32
I would not, I, I, I am convinced now that live wagering, for the people that are watching, listening, for my podcasters, and for anyone that's listening, 99.9% of yous should not be betting live. That's right.
5:47
Just leave it alone. Why? The human condition. We're so, oh, uh, how many people bet that live game last night? How many bet the overtime of that game?
5:58
By the way, you're betting into a market that's either 115 both sides or 120 both sides, and you're betting into literally Unbeatable lines long-term because of the juice situation.
6:10
Now, you may have won last night's bet, I'm not saying that, but I'm just telling you, I wouldn't even recommend live betting for anyone. Anyone at home, no live betting because here's what hap- here's what happens.
6:19
You wanna make one or two, even NFL season, August, "I gotta bet this live. I didn't bet it ahead of- I didn't get the bet in ahead of time. I gotta bet it live." Here's what'll happen. You'll bet one, two, three, four.
6:28
Next thing you'll know, you'll have your whole account full of live wagers because you can't help yourself. We're true at heart gamblers. And by the way, it's closet gambling. You're not waiting online to get a ticket.
6:39
It's closet gambling all done on your app. When it's all said and done, at the end of the day you say, "Wow, what did I do here?" I'm just telling you long-term, I wouldn't even recommend live wagering for anybody.
6:48
PSA from Bill Krackenberger. Uh, y- you had me sold at, uh, 95% of yous. When you said that, I was like, "Ah, that's my guy right there." 95% of yous. Oh, I'm sorry. No, your point is, your point is- Yeah... well taken.
6:59
Um, and I, I agree with you. I agree with you that- Really?... for most, I don't know if it's 95%, but- Yeah, 'cause I was gonna come in here and s- and say Gil's not gonna agree with me. No, I agree, for most.
7:09
Yeah, most people. For most people. Yeah. Yeah, because, yeah, I mean, I mean, we could say for most people you probably shouldn't, you know- Do anything... you probably shouldn't do it, yeah. Yeah.
7:18
Like half the stuff, at least 8- 95% of the stuff you're betting to begin with pre-flop. But, o- but live betting, yes. So the straddle is wider- Yeah... which you're talking about with the juice. Yeah. Right?
7:26
The straddle is wider, and you have to, like, again, it's like you, you, to do this correctly, and I bet sports differently, right?
7:35
Tennis and baseball are more data-driven than anything else, and those happen to be the two sports I like to bet the most. But if you don't have any kind of number foundation, you're probably doing this wrong- Right...
7:45
right, to begin with. Right. And so for you to then do things on feel with live betting is- Perfect wording... feel... feel. Yes. That's w- that's what they're betting on. That's the thing.
7:54
Oh, they, I know f- I, they're betting on feel. Yeah. That's right. Now, let me g- let me give a, a different sort of side to that. So f- so Fezzik, and I, I apologize to Steve in advance for using him as an example.
8:03
So Steve does things by, Steve is, Todd and I have this great conversation always w- Todd and I are always like, "Steve is the smart guy. We're the idiots," right? 'Cause Stevie is so, um, slave to the market.
8:16
Slave is the wrong word 'cause that has a connotation. He is beholden to the market, and he believes in the market so much, w- bereft of opinion, right?
8:25
He's, he's, often he doesn't have any opinions at all, and Todd and I always bust on ourselves because, like, we're the, we're the idiots that have opinions. We shouldn't have opinions, right?
8:32
So last night, though, because of what was happening in the game, sometimes that can nip you, too, 'cause Stevie kept in-gaming the under in that Pacers game.
8:40
Now, I know it went to overtime, but even before it went to overtime, like, it was just an over fest. Yeah. And I, at one point I was like, "I wouldn't be betting the under on this," right?
8:46
So I do think, and, and that's because of what the pre-flop market price was, and so he thought that they would regress and that sort of thing. And to some degree it did in the third quarter.
8:54
But I'm just saying there's no perfect answer to any of this, but your, your overall feel is, uh, your overall sentiment is, is well taken. But I will tell you, you wanna know how to beat it? There is a way to beat it.
9:03
Yes, there is. Absolutely. If you have the bankroll, and you have the outs, I would take multiple computers, by the way, and I would have literally Pinnacle, Chris,
9:16
maybe the live lines on one of your live line screens, what they are at some of the sharper sports books. Now I'd have Stations, I'd have Coast, I'd have maybe, um, even South Point.
9:27
I'd have in order, and I would make sure you can definitely beat a place like Stations, maybe Caesars, just having those sharper... You don't have to know anything.
9:39
You don't have to know the single one person on any team. All you're doing is betting their algorithm against the sharper sports book's algorithm. I guarantee you at the end of the season you will win, but it's not fun.
9:55
It's not fun. I know. That's right. It's tedious, and it's a job. It's a job. Now it becomes a job.
10:00
But I can guarantee you by having that live Pinnacle line, by having that live Chris line, by having that live Circle line, and by having a odds screen, now that's all costs money to have these things and compute multiple computers and then bet it against Stations and the Coast, you, you will beat those casinos.
10:19
However, they won't let you beat 'em 'cause they throw you out. They limit you to a grocery dollar. But that's what the beard, that's what, that's where the beards come in.
10:28
What you were just describing is what I call mechanical sports betting. That's just my word for it, but you're 100% right.
10:33
But what, here's the question, though: What percentage of sports bettors are willing to do that or are interested in doing that? Interested. Forget willing. Very good. Interested in doing that. Interested in doing that.
10:43
Yeah. Not many. 'Cause I, 'cause I will- It's not fun... I will speak on behalf of myself. It's work. I'm n- I'm never in- I've never been interested in doing that even though I know that that's a- Yeah...
10:52
s- that's a solid mechanical droning way of doing it. And if it wasn't for that solid mechanical way of doing things- Yeah... you wouldn't know Bill Krackenberger today. That's right.
11:00
'Cause all I did in the '90s- That's what made your bankroll... I middled and scalped and built a bankroll off of $1,000. Yeah. I sent $500 to two sports books in far off places.
11:09
They matched it and gave me $2,000, uh, two $1,000 deposits, and I was off and racing because I said, "Wow, they match the money? Man, I can middle and scalp for 10, $20 a game and build a bankroll up."
11:22
That's exactly what I did. I started out with 1,000 bucks. You don't do it anymore though, do you? No. Well, no, I, I, I don't middle and scalp. No. Yeah.
11:28
There's, there's, uh, you know, there is a group for that, but I just don't, I, I don't do that. You know, it, it's not that it's not advantage. Yeah.
11:35
I guess it is, but there's so many groups out there that are doing it or trying to do it. People think they're middle, there are more people who think they're middlers and scalpers than, than actually are.
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Bill Krackenberger. We're just getting started right here on The Numbers Game at VSiN, the sports betting network. [upbeat rock music]...
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12:42
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12:53
Uh, I'm not, you know, I'm telling you good and bad about a lot of things. Yeah. If you got the daybed, would you, would you use the daybed all day? Probably by myself. Crack on the daybed, everybody.
13:02
[laughs] That'd be awesome. Um, well, let me read these tweets here before we get to it. Yeah, go ahead.
13:05
Uh, Spence @SpenceCC, "Betting the NBA for me is basically playing that home game of Plinko from the old Price Is Right. Hey, copyright, betting dork, Beating the Book podcast, Numbers Game.
13:15
Scott H., sportsnut2020, "Got 15 to 1 at seven minutes left and 30 to 1 with two minutes left on the Pacers. Huge game one victory. Love the show." Did you really? Are you, are you being serious, Scott?
13:27
'Cause the books I w- uh, it wouldn't have even been on the books that I had available. They would've had it grayed out. Uh, Jeff Cam, "I'm a recreational bettor.
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I use a service you have reads for occasionally that keep my stats. I use a service you," oh, that I have reads for that occasionally it keeps your stats.
13:41
"This year I've made over 1,600 bets already using five sports books. I don't realize how much I fire." Hmm, interesting. Oh, good. Good for you.
13:49
Uh, Tor- torchdacrack, "Live betting on sports exchanges is very interesting.
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When a typical sportsbook has a team A at minus 1,600 live and team B at plus 900, the sports exchanges give you the power to absolutely destroy that massive price difference.
14:02
You can make your own order for team B, uh, at plus 1,400," let's say, he says, "14 to 1, and someone will likely take it. I did this in the Nuggets-Thunder series, and it was very profitable."
14:12
That's very dangerous, though, playing with your, your... Th- this is when you're putting up stuff on, on, on one of the markets, right? Yeah. Is that what he's saying? That's, I believe that's what he's, he's, yeah.
14:19
Boy, I tell you, you have to make sure you take it down right or you have to be on a, a, a live AM feed. Uh, like there's a lot of things you really wanna make sure you don't get screwed on.
14:27
But, uh, and, and I didn't know they even do that. We don't, of course we don't have any of them here, so I didn't realize that they even do that, but, um, yeah.
14:32
Montreal Max, "Crack is right on the league, and I think with all these threes being shot now, betting the NBA would have also been a problem for even legendary Hall of Famer Chuck Shop now [laughs] known as the Boxer in the '80s and '90s- Oh, yeah...
14:43
as the most respected NBA bettor we ever booked." Definitely, Chuck Shop. There is no question, no one's disagreeing with this, there is no question that NBA side betting is, is a, uh, a Plinko machine.
14:53
Chris Heath, "I cut my teeth betting NBA before the service I was using tried to upsell me due to their success. That's when I realized it was a fraud.
15:00
The next thing I realized was how many points [laughs] were scored in an NBA game."
15:04
Uh, real quick before we get to you, Crack, here, I just wanted to update, uh, May most wins in Major League Baseball, 'cause we keep track of this, and I had a bet on the Padres, have a bet on the Padres.
15:12
Uh, the- You bet this every month though usually, right? I bet it every, well, starting last year, yeah, I bet it every month. Yeah. Uh, the Padres lose again. They are not even close to the leaderboard anymore.
15:21
This is where it stands right now. Twins 14 and 4, Tigers and Phillies, two teams that if you remember when I did the five teams I was considering, I had the Tigers and Phillies in that group of five. Didn't bet 'em.
15:31
They're 14 and 5, right on the Twins' tail. Twins, of course, are who we bet in March, April. Good God. Cubbies in fifth. We also considered them as well. Cardinals at fourth.
15:42
Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's a troll job. By the way, I just wanna say this about the Padres. You can't even get upset anymore.
15:48
The Padres in this losing streak now, five games, they are zero, I looked this up, zero for 32 with runners in scoring position. They've left 33 men on base. Zero for 32- Wow... with runners in scoring position.
16:04
Now, I said to myself last night, I was like, "Self, what is the record for the longest drought with runners in scoring position?" Just because I've observed all 32 of these at bats just being completely futile.
16:17
I was like, "It can't be much more than this, can it?" Here's the answer: the longest hitless streak with runners in scoring position in Major League Baseball as of the most recent information available,
16:27
45 consecutive at bats. Oh and 45. Oh for 45 by the Chicago Cubs in 2022. Uh, ESPN, that's courtesy of ESPN.
16:37
While not a player's personal streak, it's a team record for consecutive hitless at bats with runners in scoring position in the last 40 years.
16:43
Another notable streak, 43 at bat hitless streak by the San Francisco Giants in 1996, so we're at 32 with the Padres. That's how ridiculous this has gotten. 13 shy of tying the record.
16:54
Anyway, that's how, that's how ridiculous this is. And, and will you every month, like, uh, is, is, is there, is there a calculation involved where you're... or, or you stick with the same team? Or do you switch teams?
17:04
Oh, no, no, switch teams- You do?... based on schedule, based on talent, based on a whole bunch of stu- Okay... a whole bunch of stuff, yeah. I know you had the Mets a couple times last year.
17:10
Had the Mets once last year. Oh. Yes, yeah. Yes, like, like I know a guy who will bet it for you. Yes. [laughs] Yeah. I called that one in. Yeah. Yes, I was away. You were, you were- That's correct...
17:19
you were out of town. I was like, "Bill, get me this." [laughs] Yeah. That's exactly right. What was that, July, I think? Yeah. Something like that, or August. I can't even remember anymore. Yeah. No, I just- Yeah...
17:26
didn't know if you bet them more than once. Is it, the, you know? No, I, the only team that I've bet twice is Cleveland. Cleveland Guardians last year, both in March, April, and in May. Wow.
17:34
And they came one out away- Oh... 65 to 1 in March, April. One out away? One out away. I remember this now, you saying this. Yeah. One out [laughs] away. It's brutal. Wow.
17:42
You were, you were saying something about the Dodgers series this weekend, though. Well, speaking of that, so the Dodgers were swept last weekend. Yeah. This past weekend. By the Angels. By the Angels.
17:50
In, in, uh, well, I say in, in LA, but- In Chavez Ravine... yeah, right, right. Mm-hmm. Um- Dodger Stadium. So, you know, there's these scam guys out there.
17:59
One was on Showtime with us, and that, that's when he would go broke. Yeah. Because th- this p- weekend he'd go broke. "Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm 80%." And, and he probably was close to 80%, but- Betting monster favorites...
18:12
but betting monster fav- uh, he, he was close to 80%, but- Betting the parlay, and, and the, uh, mechanical parlay and just to try to win $100. Let me explain to everyone- Hmm... um, that's listening to us. So
18:25
your goal is to win one unit, $100. You're betting $100, so you're betting 225 to win 100 on game one Friday. Is there minus 225? Minus 225 Dodgers. If it wins, you're done. You're done.
18:38
You win a unit, it's in the books. Your work is done. Work is done. However, because you lost to 225, now you wanna reclaim and win the 225 back and win $100 profit, now you're making your next bet to win 325. Only,
18:54
the Dodgers in that game is laying 280. So now- [laughs]...
18:59
you have to literally to win 330, uh, you know, 335 or whatever it may be, uh, now you have to actually lay 280, so you're laying literally like 1,000 bucks to win that. Yeah, you lose that because they lost game two.
19:12
Mm-hmm. So now you have to win your 1,000 plus your 235, now you're betting to win 1235 and your $100. You're betting to win 1335 on game three. What could go wrong? What can go wrong?
19:27
And you're laying another two plus to one. You lost 40 units. 40 units. That's right, 40 units in one weekend. Now you're down 40.
19:38
You wiped out your whole profit easily from baseball season, and you have to fight towards the end of the year just to reclaim that. So this, yeah, you'll hit 80%.
19:48
And, uh, and let me guess, the person who, uh, is, uh, selling this advice, uh, doesn't really- There's more than one. Yeah, so there's more than one. There's more than one- Yeah... of these frauds out there.
19:56
Well, here's, here's the thing, so they obviously are not then, uh, you know, including this in whatever record keeping, in quotes, they're, they're keeping.
20:03
But also, like, I just, the, the real question for me is this, and this is, again, it's a too close to the sun question.
20:09
It's amazing to us that there are still people, like, they, this is the thing that they prey on, right?
20:16
There's always new people growing up and turning 18 years old or however old it is when they start betting in these, you know, and using these services, whatever it is.
20:24
It's amazing to me that they're, they're always making new folks who f- who fall for this. Well, there's, there's new kids that are- Yes... you know, seeing DraftKings, FanDuel, uh, adverti- MGM, Caesars advertisements.
20:36
And they're, you know, they're, they're, they're... Listen, they cultivate them. Yeah. And they, um, get them ready. There's another word for it, it's not for cultivate. Let's use cultivate. Groom. At a young age.
20:46
I know. I say it, I've said it multiple times on this show. Can't go to a baseball game without seeing an ad for any sportsbook and stuff. "Daddy, what is that?" "Uh, it's a gambling site. Yeah, I don't..."
20:55
Oh, then they see it with their friends in school. You know, I've, I've heard there's so many people. This weekend I had a christening here in town at the really good school here.
21:03
I, I forget the name of the really good Catholic school here. People move here for this school. And, um- Bishop Gorman?... Bishop Gorman. It's like Christian Brothers in New Jersey. People come there.
21:12
They, they move just for the... That's how good they... It's like 20,000 a year to go to school there. So I went to a christening this past weekend there.
21:19
And, um, I ha- I had a, a, a friend of mine, he, he, his son asked me to stick up for him, stand up for him. You'd think I would know this going to Catholic school.
21:27
But, um, so, uh, I, I went with him, and during the break we all went to dinner. His friends were around, three of his friends.
21:35
You're supposed to talk, have a talk with them ahead of time before to prepare them for what life is, what's going on. I, I, I learned things from a 16-year-old kid.
21:43
I, I learned things this weekend, what's going on out there and stuff. And every one of his friends are gambling. I said, "Wait a minute. Hold on a minute." Mm-hmm. "You're 16." Mm. I, I knew this happened in college.
21:53
I just didn't know this happened. You know, we live in a gambling town. No, I think it's everywhere, that everyone's gambling. They all, they all know the lingo now. 16. Yeah. You were gambling. I couldn't believe.
22:02
"Oh, how are you, how are you doing this legally?" "Oh, we use our dad's account." Or, or better yet, the one kid said, "My dad let me sign up for an account. I, I, I literally gave him $100. I'm, you know, working.
22:12
I gave him $100 and he opened up an account and threw me his phone." You know what? I'm not blaming the parents because they don't know any better. Yeah. My parents did.
22:20
My father took me to Monmouth Park when I was eight years old. I had my first Exacta for $400. That was, it was over. Game on. You know what we should do, Billy?
22:27
We should start a sports betting network that, uh, you know, tries to speak and then engi- educate people. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. Here we are. Yeah. We, we do that on our show.
22:36
I, I hope, I hope that, uh, we can affect at least one positively. No, I, it, I just didn't know it was going on for 16-year-olds this weekend. Yeah, it's a thing, for sure.
22:45
Bill Krackomber, @BillKrackman with a K on Twitter. More with Billy next right here on The Numbers Game. [upbeat music] A Numbers Game on VSiN, the sports betting network. Smarter bets start here.
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Chris Heath, that's a great question about the day bed for Crack because they offer 8:00 to 4:00 [laughs] That's true. They offer the day bed at Circa in, uh, two day parts. Aaron Oster told me about this. Oh, nice.
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Uh, 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM and then 5:00, 5:00 PM to 11:00 PM. So you get your choice of when you want your day bed. Is the music blasting out there, the rap music- I believe so... the whole time, though?
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I, I believe so, sir. I, I, I got out of the car today. I was like, "Wow, this is unbelievable." [laughs] Like, like, this, people really want 7:00 AM to hear this music so blasting like this?
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Yeah, but- But however, there mu- there must have been studies done and you make more money What, the, the, the, the, am I saying the right word? Rap music? What is all, what else is it called? Yeah, hip hop, rap, yeah.
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Hip hop. Yeah, yeah. I, personally, I hate it. I hate it. Well, it's, I don't think it's, it, by and large, I mean, we used to get out of our cars at The D. [laughs] I used to be so... The, it was like, uh- It was what?
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It was, it was, it was sort of, you know, it wasn't really hip hop. It was more like dance music, right? And it was [laughs] it was- I, I, I could do the dance moves. I can bust a move. [laughs] Bill can bust a move.
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Ge- we used to get out of our car there at the valet, and I used to be like, "Oh my God, Randy, it's six, [laughs] six in the morning. Can they turn this down a little bit?" So you get it.
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Oh, it's, it's- 7:00 in the morning, 6:00 in the morning, it's like, it's wild... it's, it's a lot. Oh my God, that'll wake you up. You don't need coffee. Uh, this is from Teddy Rack.
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He said, "Bill dropping some knowledge on Visa #dontlivebet. How about them Niners @lvaces51 says, 'For Bill, they coddle these young kids.'" That's the word you're looking for. That's a good word. New betters.
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Perfect word. "They coddle these young kids. Trying hard to help them. Some are beyond help, unfortunately," he says. SoCal Fantasy, "Wait till Bill finds out that they're vaping and drinking." [laughs] Yeah.
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Uh, Sunny3, "Gil, I'm a high school teacher in Central Cali. I have a 14-year-old freshman talking about their bets on prize picks every day, and they have no idea what they're doing." Unbelievable. Yeah. Unbelievable.
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And then, and then Chance Copperpot, "Bill is right. Been part of the same Discord group for years, and there are a lot of young people. They all think they're gonna be rich on parlays.
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Sign up under mom's name and bet with grandma's money. It's a real problem. They're all gullible." Gil and I have been saying this forever, though. We have been. Think about this. We have been.
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Since day one on this show- Yes, we have... we have said that they're creating so much problems a- a- and for the future. It's not just the, the doctors, the lawyers, the Wall Street people, the professional people.
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There is gonna be so much problems here, and it's, we're seeing it now, with gambling among the you- this youth on these Discord chats and stuff. Yeah.
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And, uh, you know, you read about, you read about them, but for every one you read about, there's 5,000 more 'cause people don't wanna admit that their kids got in trouble gambling.
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No, it, it's, it's harder to be a kid today, man, for, for all kinds of reasons. Definitely.
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The, I mean, again, the biggest is, and, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying this as a, as an old person, but obviously, you know, we didn't...
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When we were kids, we didn't have social media to see, oh my God, this person's on a beach here, and this person looks great, and this person's awesome. What's wrong with me?
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And there's a, there's a lot of keeping up with the Joneses, right? And then there is you're exposed to a whole bunch of stuff that we weren't, right?
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The, the legalization of gambling being what we're talking about, but I could have just as easily said this about other things, right?
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I could have said, you know, I used to say, [laughs] this is, this'll be a little window, but, uh, I used to say, "If, uh, if certain music videos, if I was exposed to certain music videos instead of being, me being in my 20s, if I had seen them when I was 15 or 16 years old, maybe my life goes in a different direction."
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Wow. Because I don't know that I'd be able to process it in the same way, right? Yeah. Like, I can only watch MC Hammer's Pumps and a Bump when I'm 25. That's right. It's not gonna land on me at 15 in the same way.
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You know, Gil, you said something good there. People on social media, they're showing their best lives- Yes... or their best fake lives even though- That's correct...
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people how cool, how cool people say, but then there's a portion of people that revert to, "Damn, why can't I l- be like that?" Right. And you wanna know something? Yeah. It's fake. Yeah. It's not even real. Yeah.
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People just show thing... L- l- let me see their bank account book. Let me see their checkbook. Let me see their credit card bills. Let me see their lives.
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You know, people, even ourselves, listen, I juggle 10 pounds of crap in a five-pound bag every day. It, it's not easy. It's, we're not trying to show something more- No... than what it is.
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And we're just talking shop, you know. We had some people on the comments say some stupid things, and I was showing Eric outside. You know, I was like, "These people, they hate themselves." They look at the problems.
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They wanna come after me or you or anybody. It's on, on, on, on, on little things, and they say these... They hate their own li- look at yourself.
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You, y- if you're gonna say something, but is that, if that's your only takeaway from the first half hour of this show today especially, all the stuff we talked about here, and, you know, you must hate yourself.
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Look at yourself. Look at your life. Look at your... How many exes do you have? How many people don't you talk to in your life? How many people do you, like family members that you don't talk to?
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Think about that first before you try to use the power of anonymity to be a telephone tough guy. The c- We're here every Thursday. We're outside. Right. You wanna say something, go outside.
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We'll talk about it, and I'll talk it out with you. I'm not being a tough guy. No. I'll talk it out with you. The courage of anonymity I like to call it. Yeah. Yeah.
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No, I'm just- Um, no, but b- back to the, what we were saying before, which is, right, but for young folks, right? And you know, you remember how hard it was to be a young person in general.
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You have all kinds of anxieties. You have all kinds of... You know, you're not as confident as a young person. You're just learning yourself. You're learning the world.
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So even for us at this age, like I remember my dad used to say, I was like, it was like, he was like, "If I had my life to live all over again," he goes, "I would go back to when I was 25."
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Because before that it was, you know, it was difficult.
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Um, he had a, he had all kinds of other difficulties that we could never imagine, but I'm just saying in general, it's hard being a young person in, you know, when, even when we were young.
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But imagine today when your, you know, your brain isn't fully formed yet, to see all of this stuff on social media, to see, oh my God, sports betting, oh my God.
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It's, it's really hard for a young person to put all of that in the pr- in its proper context. So it's easy for us to sort of say, "Oh my God, don't be that way. You gotta see this."
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You know, so we can only do as much as we can, but ultimately it's like, wow, it's a big, it's a big bit of stimulus for us to try to overcome. Every single generation says it, I know. Yeah.
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These kids today, oh my God, there's... And, and our parents said it, and guess what? Their parents said it about them. I know mine did about me. But now- Yes... it's really, it has come to a light now.
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There's just too many things. Social media, for all the good it's done, has done so much bad. So i- i- it's, it's tough being a kid today. I probably thought it was college.
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Why didn't I realize that it was 16-year-old kids involved in gambling? I don't know. I just didn't reali- you know, I'm thinking of my- I know...
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I always think I was in a bubble growing up back in New York and New Jersey, and it's people like that and it, and cities like that, maybe Maryland, maybe Boston, maybe Chicago, maybe Philadelphia.
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I, I understand, but I, I just didn't know... that 16-year-olds had these kind of gambling issues today. I had no idea that they're playing on apps and, and, you know, someone just said something about vaping.
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One of the kids, the three kids, I had this talk with them, these three kids, one of them vaped, and I was like, "Why would you do that?" A good-looking kid, blonde hair, blue eyes.
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You're, y- y- you're gonna rot your teeth out. What are you doing? Like, you think a girl likes vaping? Like, is that cool? Like, it, it really is tough being a kid today, it really is. Yeah.
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It's, you have to have a lot of credit for what you've done there. Um, can I call her your stepdaughter? No? Your- Um, y- Yeah... uh, you could call her. I, I- Yeah... treat her as if she is my own daughter. Yeah.
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Yes, yes. No, but you, you have to be real proud that she went to a private school, and now, uh, did she start NYU? No, next, no, in, in September. Next, next year. So is she a senior?
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She is a senior, and, uh, she just graduated from high school. She, she just graduated. Yeah. And she's going to NYU. [laughs] Yeah. I mean, Jesus.
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That, that, that is, uh, looking at her mom and looking at you, and, and, and, you know, someone rai- that you guys did some stuff in life to raise her right.
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It's tough being, uh, you know, a kid today going to school and, you know, they, they don't wanna go to this private school, and it's so, work is so hard. They're so strict on them, and it, it's a lot of work for a kid.
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She, she's also- Now you have to put social media in the mix and, and- She's also, uh, uh, Gracie, she's 17, she's, uh, 18 now. She's, she is the most incredible human being I've ever met. Wow. Right? She is just...
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So that's the other thing, uh, you w- you have to say about kids today. With all of that exposure to all the things- Yeah... on the one hand, it's more difficult. On the other hand, they are so much smarter than we were.
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Definitely. They're so much more- Definitely... savvy. Okay. Some of the things that she processes and that she's able to navigate, I'm like, at that age, I c- I couldn't do any of that stuff.
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Gods a bit they have your street smarts, 'cause you're, you're a street smart guy. You put that into the, uh, intelligence level.
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I always say that, street smarts, common sense, decision-making skills, talk with confidence. That stuff with a college degree- Oh, yeah, man... strong as morphine, brother. Strong as morphine. So, uh, good job, Gil.
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Well, thank you. It's, it's- I'm gonna start crying... believe me, she deserves all the credit. She's an ama- amazing kid.
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But yes, so I mean, I just think that's, getting back to the sports betting part of it, that is a, um, the, it's part of the mix of what these kids have to, uh, to navigate that we never had to, right? Yeah.
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So on the one hand, they're just unbelievably more savvy. And on the other hand, it's only, it's only going to be, you know, natural that some folks are not gonna be able to navigate it.
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Their parents might not be as aware of what their children are up to, or maybe they even, maybe they even enable it. Yeah.
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'Cause they're, th- themselves, as you pointed out, they themselves have no idea the peril that could be in front of them. Most people shouldn't have kids to begin with. [laughs] No, they just shouldn't. Yeah.
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They, they, you, you could... There's been surveys done, uh, you know, they, they just shouldn't have kids because they don't have time for them. And, and it's, they have to grow up on the social media world.
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They know so much more than we did at, at that age. So, uh, you know, again, I give you credit, but, uh, also- Well, thank you. That's very nice... someone, one of, one of the guys asked, one of the... Okay, let's see.
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This guy said, "What is scalping?" Yeah, so, uh, 'Bama Sluggers, he's, uh, first of all, he's coming out with his, with his 21-year-old daughter to Vegas next week. Love to have...
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Well, I'm here every Thursday, so you know where I'm at. But anyway, he said he wants, he's, he wants to come meet me. But he said, "What's scalping? Scalping and middling is how I built up my bankroll.
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Scalping's laying $121 on the Yankees and then later on in the day, or instantly, taking back $123. There's zero risk. If you're laying 121, you're taking 123.
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It's either gonna be a, you know, a win, or you can lock up a profit on both sides. That, that's, that's what scalping and middling is." Mechanical, as I like to call it. We'll recap all the bets.
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Gil Alexander. Bill Krackomberger alongside. Bill Krackomberger, by the way, Bill Crackman with a K on Twitter. The name of the podcast is Wise Cracks. Oh, not Wise Cracks, I'm sorry. [laughs] Is it Wise Cracks? Yeah.
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Yeah, Wise Cracks. We're, we're on the Wager Talk Network now. We moved it over there 'cause they have a couple hundred thousand followers, but yes, thank you, Gil. Wise Cracks with you, John Orlando.
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John, and then I bring Randy in. Football season he's coming back. Randy McKay, yeah. Um, by the way, uh, let's re- well, let me read the tweets here before we recap all our bets.
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This is from Rob L., rlap311, "Disappointed not to hear, uh, Phil Bob at Speedway Steve 2 give his take on the, uh, Weenie 500 this morning."
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Yeah, so the Wiener 500, uh, maybe the obscurity makes it more of a Spreadapedia event, a Jason Weingarten event. We'll be listening carefully [laughs] tomorrow.
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I'll ask Jason about the, uh, the, the, uh, Weenie 500 tomorrow. Joe C714, "Wasn't this system the Vegas Dave scam?" Yes, that's who Bill- Yes... Billy was referring to. Uh, one among many. Thank you, Joe.
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Cancer Free from Stage 4 NHL since- My man... May says, "My niece graduates high school tonight." Congratulations to you, sir, and congratulations to her. "I am so proud of her," he says.
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"Super smart, played soccer all four years of high school, and has a GPA of at least 4.50." Wow, I didn't know you could have a GPA that high. "She's also a really good person. Proud to be her uncle." Wow. Um- Very nice.
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Yeah. I, I hear you, Cancer Free, because, uh, I always say, I always say to Grace, I'm like, "Trust me, you're a bigger... You, you have done more for me than I have done for you." Wow. I always say that to her.
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That guy's been around for many years, too, that guy, that- Cancer Free?... Cancer Free, yes... congratulations for being Cancer Free. Good man. Keno Walker, "It's not a Bill and Gil rant, it's a PSA therapy course."
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Today was. "Take advantage of these segments. It's free tuition," he says. My man. Thank you, Keno. Jeff Cam, "Yes, the other way to call what, what, uh, Bill is talking about is arbitrage." Yes.
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Arbitrage- Thank you, Jeff... is the other more fancy word for it. Uh, Giuseppe Bed, I love this, uh, this name here.
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Uh, "I'm sure kids now are betting more money now, but I remember in high school, my friend and I would alternate picking, uh, college football sides heads up for $1 a game, as well as betting on our high school football teams' games.
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It was how I covered my gas money each week." Uh, Giuseppe, I was the kid who, who started the football pools in my school. I kept it going for two, three years- Wow... just picking winners. Yeah.
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And I was always scared, uh, told this story many times. I was scared that the teacher would c- that they would finally catch me. And finally on the third year, bam, grabbed my shoulder. Mr.
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Sorkin with his North Carolina accent, he's like- How do I get in on this football pool? Oh my God, I remember you saying that. [laughs] Then I knew I might be onto something.
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Jamie Leyva, "With the Young MC reference followed up by Gil with the MC Hammer drop, I love this show. Have a fantastic day, gentlemen." Thank you, Jamie.
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Um, and then Margin Call says, "Tell 'em about the pickle I got myself in, Bill." Oh, yeah, he texted me today. No, he, he, he did get himself in a pickle. He, he... You gotta be careful, too. I'll tell you, it's true.
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I've done it myself. I haven't done it in years. I've done it myself. He texts me and he's like, "Bill, I can't believe that what I did here." So here's his parlay.
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He bet the Dodgers minus 140, the Phillies minus two, 290, and the Yankees minus 150, only he bet tomorrow's Yankee game. Oh. By a- 'Cause they're, they have the games. We've all done that once.
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You, you're scrolling down and you're seeing, oh- Oh, yeah... they're only minus one-third. Yeah. I gotta bet that. And you don't realize that that's not the same day. We've all done that before. Yeah. But, uh, yeah.
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Yeah. He, he, he bets parlays, and he, uh, he's the guy I talked about before. He won, like, 10 in a row. And, uh, I can never tell him how bad parlay betting is, but, uh- [laughs] It, it is what it is. I, I... Yeah.
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I, I- He's tasted glory... I would wanna lay 290 on the Phillies. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good luck. [laughs] Okay. Um- Let's recap the- Yeah... let's recap the best bets before we forget. More trouble there.
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Uh, once again, I had the Pacers last night plus the points, had it in the contest, and took the Pacers before the series began at plus 140.
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By the way, the updated series price on that now is that the Pacers, up one game, are minus 150 favorites. The Knicks are plus 130 on the comeback, if you're considering playing the other side there now.
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Uh, Kelly is on the Knicks minus the points. Zigzag alert. He's on the Knicks in game two tomorrow night, minus the five and a half.
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He's also on the Knicks in the first half, minus three and a half, and he's on Karl-Anthony Towns over 23 and a half points. I'll refrain from doing the imitation again.
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Kelly's also on the Pacers before the series started. He got it at plus 145, 'cause he's better than me by a nickel. Kid's better than me. Uh, this is from Zach Cohen. He is on the T-Wolves tonight plus the points.
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Zach, co-leader in the VSiN Killer Sports NBA Challenge, along with Steve Fezzik. He's on the T-Wolves plus eight. He's also sprinkling on the money line with the T-Wolves tonight in game two at OKC plus 265.
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And then tomorrow night, he is oppo Kelly. He is on the Pacers. Zach got himself a six somewhere out there on the Indiana Pacers. And then Phil Baba joins us, uh, earlier today 'cause it's, uh, Indy 500 weekend.
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Do you ever bet, uh, the Indy 500? Not really. Yeah. Not really. I mean- It's just too, too tough to bet these futures like that. Too, it's too, too big of a pool. Too...
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You know, they take too much out of the, the win pool. Our, our buddy Phil Baba does, has, has a great track record on this show. He's taking in the Indy 500 this weekend.
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He's got, uh, Sh- Josef Newgarden 12 to one to win it outright. Plus, he's got Newgarden in the top five at plus 165. He did the same with Pato O'Ward, six to one to win the Indy 500.
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He's also got a T five on O'Ward at, uh, O'Ward at plus 125. So both outrights and T fives, top fives, for O'Ward and Newgarden both in the Indy 500. To Monaco, the F1 race in Monte Carlo.
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You ever been to Monte Carlo before? No. Oh, it's apparently beautiful. Heard it's great. I have got to do that once in life. Outright winner, Oscar Piastri, two to one, available at BetRivers.
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And he's got a couple matchups. Fading the big names, Lando Norris over Max Verstappen, minus 115. George Russell over Lewis Hamilton. Uh, you gotta lay a little juice on that one, minus 163.
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Both of those available at Caesars. And then in the Coca-Cola 600 Cup Series event, Kyle Larson to win it, six to one. His wife will be happy, he says. And he's got matchups as well.
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Alex Bowman over Joey Logano at minus 110, William Byron over Tyler Reddick at even money, and then Josh Berry over Chase Briscoe, minus 115. Those are your matchups in the Coca-Cola 600 from Phil Baba.
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That's vsin.com/gbank. What a great credit card. I, um, I know I always talk about them. Uh, so I bet something this morning. Here, I bet f- Oh... opening day. Yes, you did. Chiefs minus two. It's not...
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Now, the reason why I'm not giving that out, because it's not available anymore. Chiefs minus two over, over the, uh, Chargers. That game is not... It looks like on the schedule it's in Charger land. It's not.
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It's in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Um- That's Friday night, the second night of the NFL season. Fri- Friday night, minus two. But I'll tell you right now, the, so I just think that game will be three.
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The public's gonna push to three. So I wanna run it... I'll give you guys something. If you're allowed to bet at Caesars, which I am not, um, Kansas City over the Chargers minus 135 on the money line.
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If you can bet that, you have access to Caesars, that's a hell of a money line, minus 135. Um, i- i- listen, the, it's exactly what I started at the beginning of the show talking about scalping and middling.
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You wanna middle something? Lay that dol- lay $1.35 and take three points. That is a winning proposition, especially on a lower total of 44. This is, uh, long term, that's a winning proposition.
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I don't middle and scalp, I said. Well, there's gonna be a scalp there, 'cause there will be threes come... Well, there i- there's actually, it's three now.
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You know, DraftKings has plus three minus 15, um, which I'd be happy to bet both sides of that. So that means you're, you're t- laying $1.35, you're taking plus three minus 15.
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You add those two juices together, you get $1.50. That means, cut that in half, $1.25, it has to, that, that's your estimated juice all together. You have to cut it in half what you're gonna lay.
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Now that means one in four games has to land one, two, or three. If it lands three, you obviously push one and win one. If it lands one or two, you jackpot the game and win both sides.
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So that, there's a middle and scalp there, um, for anyone that, that wants to middle and scalp, there's a thing. So I haven't gone on to no rants. We got two minutes left. I am gonna hit one real quick.
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It was supposed to be the first thing I said, but I didn't wanna come in sounding salty, so So this idiot, when I walked in at, at Jackpot's coffee shop, this is exactly what I mean, these kids Right upstairs...
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sunglasses on, he's at the c- counter, he's talking on the phone, you know, and this is exactly what he did. He has sunglasses on, he's talking on the phone, not even paying attention, give me my coffee, this and that.
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Now he wants to pay with the phone that he's talking on. He puts the person on speakerphone- [laughs] Oh, God... and he's trying to scan the thing. I don't know what, what can you pay with, an a- an app or s- or like...
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And he's, I, I came within a little of hair of saying, "How dumb are you? How stupid are you? What do you think, this is your world? You think you own the joint? Give me a break." You didn't say anything?
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No, I didn't, because if that's, I have to mind my own business. I, you know. Uh, but it, it was just so dumb. I wish I knew his name, I'd blast him right here. How can...
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D- do kids really not re- Oh I say kids, a 22-year-old k- does he not realize that you, you c- you're inconvenien- Old enough to know better... you're inconveniencing everybody.
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You're, you have the thing on speakerphone now. Instead of saying, "Hold on one second, I gotta..." He doesn't even do that. You know, he's not even paying attention to the girl. I, I just can't stand people. Yeah.
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Sorry. What was, uh, Wishnev's, Wishnev's line when we used to do Wishnev Wednesday here on the show? Oh. Wishnev said, uh, "Human beings," he, no, he said, "People- People... worst invention ever," he said.
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[laughs] Yeah. Yeah, that's the line of Wall Street, too, Michael Douglas. People, worst invention ever. He said, "You gotta give, you gotta give 'em a break." Oh, man.
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Like, I think we've, uh, um, Gil, I'll be honest with you, this is all stuff for next week. All right, let's do it. This is all...
44:13
I, usually it's on, I, I have some things I wanna talk about, but- All right, let's do, let's absolutely do that next week, though. None of this we could've talked about, so let's absolutely talk about it next week.
44:20
Yeah. Okay. It'll be kind of scripted next week. Kind of scripted. Uh, Stormy is on vacation. JVT manning the fort. Money Moves next right here at VSiN, the sports betting network. Enjoy. Thank you, Phil. [upbeat music]
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