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Nov 27, 2024
A Numbers Game | November 27, 2024 | Hour 1
A Numbers Game | November 27, 2024 | Hour 1
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The numbers told the story. They always do. He's one of those idiots who believe in analytics. This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander on Vsan. Time to get funky to radical hip as I get to the point.
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Rock this funky joint. Let's do it. It's a numbers game. Vsan.com, Vsan app, Game Plus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV. Everywhere you're taking us in, we appreciate it. It's Gil Alexander.
0:47
It's Kelly Midlan on the day before Thanksgiving. That was the best show intro you've ever done. Eh. I liked it. I usually go party people, but I had that, I was had in my head.
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It was in the car on the way in, so I had to get... Once you get it out- Yeah, yeah... it doesn't- It helps... it helps. Yeah. Um, a little Poor Righteous Teachers to start out the morning.
1:03
Uh, on the show today, by the way, happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
1:06
I know it's the day before Thanksgiving, but I hope you're, uh, you're traveling safely today, wherever it is that you are going to spend the holidays, uh, with family.
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We have a show today that, uh, includes a lot of college basketball.
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Uh, Jim Root from Three Man Weave will be here, uh, as will Dallin Cuff from ESPN, who has not one, not three, but six picks to give us in college hoops today. Six bets.
1:30
Oh, a little ch- little Champions League too from him as well. A little Champions League. So yeah, he's got a little bit of everything. By the way, did you go to any of the college basketball that's in town yesterday?
1:37
No, I did not. It sort of snuck up on me. We had great games. Duke was in action last night. Plus, plus we got a great tip after the show yesterday on one of them, right? Yes, we did. We gotta talk about that.
1:46
Can we, can we just talk about that real quick? [laughs] Oh, well, before we do this, sorry. Sorry, it's like, uh, you just get distracted. Matt Brown will be here.
1:53
And he won't be here, but he'll be on the show with us, a little Primetime Action reunion. Yeah. Talk National Football League with us.
1:58
Jason Weigart and JVT, not only on the NBA, but also, uh, what he's thinking in football.
2:04
I wanna, I wanna see what JVT thinks the, uh, scenario's gonna end up being in college football as we are approaching a solidified college football playoff situation. Um, and I think I got to all the guests.
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I did, I do believe we do. We'll also do, uh, updated, adjusted season win totals in the NFL. I looked back at mine, uh, kind of a mixed bag now. Yeah. Kind of a mixed bag. I did the same thing as, uh- Yeah...
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yesterday as well. If we have time, we'll, we'll review the list and see. We will. Yeah. Oh, we, we'll have time. We'll do that. And then, uh, our NFL power rankings.
2:33
Oh, let's get into that at, at w- as well at some point. Um, the, what you were referring to is we, we often have lovely listeners to this show, the best listeners of any show- Mm-hmm...
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uh, in the history of radio, I believe we think it is. Yeah, yep. Since Marconi figured out this radio thing, best listeners ever. I checked in with historians. They agreed. Uh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. They agreed, yep.
2:52
So guy walks up to the show yesterday, uh, great listener to the show, a loyal listener. Wait, wait, first of all, shout out to Larry Fresh, who's been hanging out- Yes... all week pretty much.
3:01
Brian came by, talked- Yes... to us for a while yesterday. I actually, I think he kind of swayed us a little bit on a win total w- uh, coming up in our conversation. He did. Yeah. I thought about that. Yeah. He did.
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I, I thought about him as I was doing it. Um, but, but- Butts, the King... but then a, a guy walks up in the middle. He says, "Hey," uh, and I didn't really catch him at first.
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He's like, "Hey, I'm Kelly, the Sausage King of," of where? Omaha? Omaha. [laughs] And I'm like, "Wait, wait, I'm Gil. I'm not Kelly." He goes, "No, no, I'm Kelly." I was like, "Oh, okay, and you're the what?"
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He goes, "I'm the Sausage King of Omaha." You're not usually, you don't usually get that kind of intro from someone. No, you do not. You do not. But he's, he's wearing a Creighton jacket of some kind. Mm-hmm.
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S- some C- Creighton gear, and he goes, "Hey, fade Creighton today." Gives us a great two-minute breakdown- He's like the g-... of like this is what's gonna happen... point guard's out. Here's what happens.
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Here's what happens. They pack the defense down, and, and, uh, and Colk Brenner doesn't do anything against, uh, San Diego State.
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So it's, you know, he, he just broke it down perfectly, and sure enough, Creighton got just destroyed as four and a half point favorites against, uh, against San Diego State yesterday.
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Oh, oh, and he didn't say take the points. It was grab the money line. Oh. Play them on the money line. So thank you, Kelly, Sausage King of Omaha. [laughs] More- I'd like to be this.
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The more I thought about it last night, Gil, there's a chance, 'cause he had great hair too. He did. There's a chance- Yeah... that it was me time traveling back from the future. Very true. Very true.
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But he looked enough like my father. You know my favorite, uh, so thank you to Kelly. Maybe he's my real dad. [laughs] Sorry, Thad Midlan. Sorry you had to hear it that way.
4:28
Um, the other thing that I've loved about this week on the show, besides all of that, but which we love when, when listeners come, uh, uh, up to us after the show, but I like that we had a couple guests this week that have really genuinely angered listeners.
4:41
Hmm. Uh, Drew Dinsick was on, not that I like to see y'all angered, but, but I, I like that there's a, a bit of controversy. Drew came on. He still is not buying the Detroit Lions in 2024. Yep.
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He's not buying it, and so there were some Lions fans that really got upset with that, that, that tweeted in. More outrage over that than his Mahomes MVP t- uh, takes. Yes. Yes, much more outrage over that.
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Um, and by the way, Aaron Schatz's updated DVOA numbers on the Detroit Lions, fifth-best team through 11 games of all... Oh, excuse me, sixth best through 11 games of all time. Would you like to know? No, no, fifth best.
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Would you like to know the four teams in front? Sure.
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Uh, the 2007 New England Patriots, the 1991 Washington Redskins, largely believed to be the two best teams of all time, the 1998 Denver Broncos, also a Super Bowl champion, and, uh, the 1985 Chicago Bears, famously, you know, the, the most devastating defense of all time, all of which won Super Bowls.
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Detroit Lions 2024 is fifth. Okay, that's pretty- Okay... pretty good company right there. So, so Drew got people upset.
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Where did we have, we had, uh, didn't we have the Niners and, who was it, Niners and Ravens last year up towards the very- Niners and Ravens last year. By the way, the-... up to a week...
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by the way, the Ravens offense of this year, so glad you bring that up, 'cause I might, I might as well be thorough with the rest of the, uh, Aaron Schatz stuff. The Air, the, uh, the Ravens...
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offense this year is, ready for this? Mm-hmm. Through DVOA, Aaron, Aaron Schatz's proprietary stat, is the seventh best offense through 12 games, by the way, through 12 games this year.
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Seventh best offense, the 2024 Ravens offense, the 2007 Patriots being the best offense of all time through 12 games. Um, and, and here's, here's the other one I wanna say. The, the worst DVOA of 10-and-1 teams, okay?
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Mm. 10-and-1 teams or better in the history of DVOA, his proprietary stat since 1979, the Kansas City Chiefs, the 2024 10-and-1 Chiefs are the
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fourth worst 10-and-1 team of all time, 10-and-1 or better team of all time through 12 games, through 11 games in this case. I w- I wish I could say that surprised me, but it- It doesn't surprise me at all...
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yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't.
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Yeah, by the way, the three that were worse, and I don't remember any of these teams offhand, but the '94 Broncos were 10-and-1, the 2012 Falcons were 10-and-1, and the, and last year's Eagles were 10-and-1 and then collapsed.
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Mm. So he was right about that. Yeah. That one makes, that one makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, the Chiefs one, man, I think it's...
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This could be a very, very interesting season to look back on if they [laughs] end up, if they end up winning. It, I mean, AFC, Super Bowl, whatever, just 'cause it is...
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Uh, we can say everything we want about these teams, but at the end of the day, it, it, it, it's Mahomes and Andy Reid, and they're getting it done when it matters the most. We've seen it too many times before.
7:32
We've seen it so many times. We don't wanna be dumb again. Yep. Um, the other thing, by the way, you know the other thing that got people all riled up this week more than anything else? What? Futak yesterday. Oh, really?
7:42
Oh, yeah. Futak, because Futak s- I love him this time of year. [laughs] He's so great. He just makes people angry.
7:48
S- because Futak, we were talking about the Heisman Trophy, and I made a bet on Ashton Jeanty at plus 750, and I was just trying to get his... He's a Heisman voter.
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He's one of 938 Heisman voters, and he said something at the beginning, which I don't know that I caught on air, which is, you know, "People don't really see Ashton Jeanty." He sort of re- you know, he threw- Mm-hmm...
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that in, and then he went on. And so, uh, uh, uh, you know, uh, we got multiple tweets from people who were like, "How can he say that people don't see Ashton Jeanty? He's a Heisman voter."
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If you're a Heisman voter, the tone of these tweets was, shouldn't you, shouldn't you watch these players? Shouldn't you go out of your way even to tape, old school term- Yeah... and watch these players?
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And, uh, what, and since they mentioned that, I did notice th- th- it was sort of like by the end of the segment, remember when I was talking about McCaffrey versus, uh, Derrick Henry?
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'Cause Ashton Jeanty's season is very comparable to Derrick Henry's, uh, from 2015 when he won the Heisman, and I made the, the comment, "Yeah, he, he got the Heisman, but Christian McCaffrey should have."
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And I was like, "None of y'all watched Christian McCaffrey that year either."
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And then in the same breath, right, the same breath that he's saying that nobody sees Ashton Jeanty, he was like, "Oh, we all saw Christian McCaffrey." No, you didn't. No, no, no. No, you didn't. None of y'all did.
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At the East Coast, it was... Andrew Luck and Christian McCaffrey's college careers, I get it, you saw them sometimes. You didn't see a- anywhere close to even 50% of their careers.
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You, you, you saw the fi- the five big games or whatever that year. Yeah. Like, that is... I, and hon- honestly, I don't think that much has, not that much has changed.
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Like, some of this, some of this used to be, you know, 30, 40 years ago, right? It used to be television problems. There's not been enough that's changed between McCaffrey- Yeah...
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and now, Gil, that that could still be the resulting answer of what haps- happens with Jeanty this year. People forget how dark ages 2015 was when it came to that- Right... kind of stuff. No, but like this is- Yeah...
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I mean, really the only- But I know what you're saying... the only thing that's really changed in my mind between McCaffrey and now is that, okay, what, we have more games on more nights of the week. Yeah. Right?
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O- otherwise, it's- I do think people are a little more, like, may- and maybe, maybe not.
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Maybe we're in a cocoon here where maybe we're very close to the sun on this stuff that we think everybody sees everything, but maybe not. Maybe you're right. Maybe it is the same.
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I g- all I got, all I can tell you is, is there is one, there is one Heisman voter that I worked with that I wouldn't have trusted anything he put down on a ballot.
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That, that's all, that's all I'll say, 'cause it, what we're talking about right now I know is the case.
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And maybe that's the takeaway from that conversation is while we're betting on this, then we a- when we talk to an actual voter, we're like, "Oh, you don't, you don't even," [laughs] you know?
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Like, you go away really depressed. You're like, "Oh." I mean, it was 900-something. We talked about it yesterday. Yeah. And I don't know how often they are checking in on people's credentials- Oh, man...
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updating that list. That feels like a big part of the problem.
10:28
Real quick, 'cause we, uh, we didn't get to this yesterday, and I don't know how much, how deep we're gonna get into any of this, but we were gonna go over some NFL awards. This is the rapid fire version of that.
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MVP, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, one, two at the top of this market.
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Saquon became the third short shot last, uh, last week after his, uh, 255, uh, yard rushing performance this past week and just setting records, franchise records for the Eagles.
10:50
Uh, you still feel like it's, uh, Lamar Jackson, right? It is. I've been get- I, I know I've mentioned it a couple times.
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I've been getting close to a bet, but you know what, Gil, as we were working, uh, you know, I was doing my prep work for Win Till Wednesday is coming up next year.
11:03
Just looking at that Ravens schedule, I, a- and I think this was part of Drew's point yesterday. It was.
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The record could end up just not being good enough for him to be, uh, uh, for him to go out and win it, and that's, that's the only thing that's holding me back right now. 27 touchdown passes and three picks. I know.
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Yeah. I mean, if I had to bet it right now, it w- he w- it would only be Lamar Jackson. Offensive Player of the Year, Saquon, the appropriate big favorite. Should he be this big of a favorite, over $3? Yeah.
11:28
Uh, he's come back. What are we, minus 275 now at DraftKings- Little bit, yeah... at le- at least, so it has come back a little bit. I think that's probably properly priced.
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I think when we brought it up on, uh, what was that, Monday, what the pricing was, that seemed a little much. Was it 350 or something when we first talked about it? Yeah, now it's two, 275, and Derrick Henry's plus 275.
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This feels more accurate. Yeah, probably so. And then Defensive Player of the Year, what do you think as we go out here? Anything? I don't know. Like, this is... Is it just gonna be T.J.
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Watt 'cause it's the Steelers and the Steelers' defense? Like, I kinda think that's the case. I think this is the most, yeah, um, he's minus 200. Everybody else is 12 to 1 or longer.
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I kinda feel like this is the most just sort of by acclamation- Right... one. Uh, we'll do Coach of the Year on the other side as well. We'll talk to Jim Root, college basketball as well.
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A Numbers Game on VSiN, the sports betting network Back on our Numbers Game live from Circa Resort Casino, downtown Las Vegas, Nevada. It's Gil Alexander, it's Kelly Biblin, everybody.
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Did we give our names in the first segment? I'm not sure we did. I don't know. You s- you were singing, so I didn't really care. S- singing. [laughs] That's what I was doing. I was singing.
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[laughs] Uh, tell you what folks were singing about yesterday was the, uh, the Megapod. Stormy Bonatony was our guest yesterday, the lovely Stormy Bonatony, host of Money Moves, right here after the show.
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I was able, I was able to, uh, take in about the first 20 minutes, I would say- [laughs]... i- in my day yesterday. It's quite an experience, isn't it? Oh, it was. Uh, Teasers and Parlays, "The pod was awesome today.
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It's not said enough, but appreciate everything y'all do week after week. The best pod, hands down. Let's cash some tickets." Thank you, Teasers and Parlays, very nice of you.
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Uh, this is from J-Rod, "I think this might be my favorite Megapod yet. Please let's get Todd on unprepared again, and of course Stormy."
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[laughs] So yesterday, Todd la- he forgot that we were doing the Megapod on Tuesday, the Beating The Book Megapod. Oh, man.
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He was too busy live betting college basketball, and we're literally starting the podcast without him. And I'm like, "Dude, what else do you have to do?" It, it was great.
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Uh, it was also one of my favorite parts of the pod yesterday. [laughs] And I think there's another tweet. I don't wanna, oh- Oh, I don't know... there's a tweet that sums it up perfectly for me. Okay.
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Uh, there's another one here. This is from, uh, JDR. It's our buddy JD from Alabama. He says, "I know it was exhausting," oh, this is different.
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"I know it was exhausting thinking about walking all the way across the street to see the greatest rock band of all time, Pearl Jam." [laughs] He knows I hate Pearl Jam.
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"But hopefully you were able to go walk over to see the greatest 24, 25 college basketball team tonight. Roll Tide, let's cash them tickets."
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Uh, Alabama Crimson Tide winning in overtime against Houston yesterday at the MGM Grand, uh, Arena. Uh, my buddy Wes was out there. It was awesome. Fred Currier, "Awesome podcast. Stormy was a welcome guest. Thanks."
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Thank you to Stormy. Paul Nelson, "Just listened to the Megapod. First 10 minutes had me rolling on the floor laughing." [laughs] "Most laughter of all the podcasts. Thanks for having Stormy on. She's the best."
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She is the best. Uh, Nick Kendhammer, "Three minutes into the pod and almost drove off the road laughing-" [laughs] "... setting up to be an all-timer." [laughs] Well, I hope, I hope it lived up to the billing.
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Jeremiah Westgate, if that is your real name, "Hey Gil, just listened to the Mega. I also dig the Packers Thursday night, so lock of the year, LOL. Number two, is Stormy the first female guest ever? She was very good.
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Number three, Todd not being prepared had zero impact." [laughs] "And Todd is three times less annoying this year. Good coaching." Uh, let me- This, this was my takeaway whenever- Yeah...
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I'm like, "Oh boy, Todd's late, like, Gil's angry. This is gonna be bumpy." [laughs] "Like, they got Stormy on today." I'm like, "This isn't gonna be good."
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I s- I thought Todd was, was more entertaining and sound- Oh, he's great... just as prepared as usual today. [laughs] He's great. Uh, oh, Dale, "Great job on the short week, guys. Thank you. #Megapod," from Oh Dandy Do.
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And I believe that might be it, yeah? Yeah. That's it? Okay. Uh, let me answer the question that, uh, Jeremiah Westgate, uh, "Is Stormy the first female guest ever on the Megapod?" No, she is not.
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Uh, Megapod historian Tim Lawson from The Better Life, who- Ooh, can I guess?... who knows this stuff better than I do, and I'm the one hosting it. Guess. Someone in the past five years? No, no, no.
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We're talking about 10, 11 years of the Megapod. No, I know, but like, is it, it, how, how many women have been on before? She is the fourth. She is the fourth. Oh, okay. I don't know. I was gonna guess Danielle Alvari.
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Danielle was never on the Megapod. Really? Danielle was never on the Megapod. Then I got no idea. I would've guessed Danielle too. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] Uh, he tells me that Kelly in Vegas- Okay... was on in 2012.
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Makes sense. Kelly, before she, uh, believed everything the Westgate friends w- her Westgate friends were telling her, and disbelieved everything that I was saying. Um, Anita Marks from ESPN was on once upon a time.
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And, uh, Brad Porres, our college baseball guy, was on with his wife once. Oh. And so Stormy is the fourth. Okay. There we go. Yeah, Stormy is the fourth.
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Um, so really, w- we appreciate Stormy doing double duty yesterday and- Gr-... being on... great work by Tim Lawson as usual. That's why- Tim Lawson-... that's why he gets that big paycheck, you know?
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Bro, everything I need to know, his- [laughs]... history of the Megapod, he's right on it. I love it. Oh, man. Um, okay. W- last award before we get to the, uh, the adjusted season wins.
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Coach of the year, do you have any idea who's winning this? I feel like, I just w- we, we just need to re-rack whatever I said two weeks ago. 95%- Yeah... it's down to these seven guys. No, I don't.
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I- I have as little idea about this as I do anything this late into a season. I don't understand the Andy Reid movement. I don't know if I agree. I do not agree with what Drew said yesterday with that. Which part?
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The, I, I think- Oh, when, uh-... Andy Reid is more live in this market, that- Oh, I asked Drew, 'cause he was all about Pat- he bet Patrick Mahomes- Yeah...
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12 to 1 to win MVP, and I said, "If the Chiefs go 15 and 2," I believe I said, "or 16 and 1, are they more likely to give Andy Reid Coach of the Year than they are Patrick Mahomes MVP?" And he said, "Absolutely not."
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I, I, I think it was a great question, and I completely go the other way. I do too. I think there's a better chance Andy Reid wins this award- That's why-... is w- this award than Patrick Mahomes winning MVP.
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I'm with you. That's why I asked him. Absolutely. All right. Which brings us, Kelly, to adjusted se- oh, no, adjusted season win totals- Win Total Wednesday... for the National Football League.
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He's doing a little drum roll. I know. Yeah, it was a- Are the guys looking over or under? It's another edition of Win Total Wednesday on A Numbers Game. [rock music] Oh, yeah. Ryan, baby. Hmm. Ryan under. He's the best.
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Just voice your life, that guy. He's the best. Just voice your every move. "Now Kelly's going to the bathroom." [laughs] I hear, I heard he was on the legendary podcast Concierge Confidential, uh, recently. Come on.
17:41
Was he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Concierge Confidential with the, uh, the very, uh, [tsks] how can we put this? The very upper crust Brian Ortega. Oh, yeah. [laughs] I think that's the point of the podcast, basically.
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[laughs] Brian Ortega, who all through a Numbers Game, when he's here, will s- will say things in my ear like, "We will not have that." [laughs] He's very involved. Very involved.
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[laughs] Brian Ortega, who kn- whose north star is, "What will entertain me today?" [laughs] Um, okay. Adjusted season win totals. Can I go back to the ones I've already made first? Yeah.
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Do we have that or should I read them all? Yeah, we do. Okay. You, you wanna hit Morgan and Morgan first, though? Oh, of course I do. Yeah. Come on, Kelly. I s- Do, do I wanna hit Morgan and Morgan first? Of course I do.
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Uh, it's all brought to you, by the way, by Morgan and Morgan. Um, these adjusted season win totals, and we haven't always done just adjusted season win totals, but whatever the win totals may be, uh, we have done them.
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19:11
Uh, my adjusted season win totals are a mixed bag now. A few weeks ago they looked good, now they're a mixed bag. Uh, here's what I have, uh, done in the past during this segment. Um, and, uh, well, here you go.
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Well, you have Kelly's up. Here are mine. Mine are- Just ignore the name. [laughs] Just ignore... That's right. Why don't we do mine first here? No, no, th- these are yours. Uh- Oh...
19:32
th- just the, the name at the top is, uh- Gotcha... isn't correct. Okay. So previously, previously I had the Dolphins under seven and a half. That's looking dicey. That's kind of a coin flip right now.
19:41
Dolphins under seven and a half. Dolphins are five and six right now, so maybe, maybe not. Steelers under nine and a half I have. Mm, we'll see. Jaguars under six and a half. That's looking great.
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49ers over nine and a half. Uh-oh. They're five and six. Commodores over nine and a half, maybe. Commodores over 11 and a half, not so much. Bears under seven and a half, looking good at this point.
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M- So we'll get a mixed bag. Yeah. You want, you wanna check out my, uh, previous ones, and then we'll get to our current ones? Sure. Sure, let's do your previous. Okay. So I've got Steelers under 10 and a half,
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Falcons over 10 and a half. Uh-oh. R- Yeah, uh-oh. [laughs] Ravens over 11 and a half, uh, up in the air I guess. Up in the air. Up in the air. Yeah. Dolphins under seven and a half. Up in the air. Up in the air.
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Chiefs over 14 and a half, I like. Up in the air. I like it. I like it. [laughs] I still like it. Okay. But yes, up, very, but yes, up in the air would be- Yeah... the fair way to state that.
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Jets under six and a half, love it. I like it. Panthers under three and a half. [laughs] Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Is that already dead or do they do, or- No, they got- Or I got one more, right? They got three left, yeah.
20:49
I got, I got one more. Yeah. Uh, and then Cowboys under eight and a half. There's a good one. Yeah, so mixed bag for both of us. So i- i- this is probably our final edition of this. Maybe, maybe not.
20:57
Maybe there'll be another one, 'cause once you get really late in the season, the pickings are slim. Um, but here's what I, uh, here's what I ended up. I ended up making two more bets, one of which is the Steelers redux.
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I am going Steelers under once again. We both did this. Not with, not with the Steelers, but with a team. Oh, okay. Yeah. We doubled down. So I went Steelers under once again. Um, Steelers under 10 and a half plus 130.
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Under 10 and a half plus 130 at DraftKings. Steelers currently have eight wins. You're telling me they're winning three more games with this gauntlet? I, I know. Hells no.
21:36
By the way, part of this is what is your handicap for this weekend, where the Bengals are two and a half point favorites, now three point favorites against the Steelers. I'm on the Bengals minus two and a half.
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So, uh, Steelers under 10 and a half and I'm getting plus 130 on top of that? I'll take that, thank you very much. And the other one is the, uh, Cleveland Brownies. I got the Cleveland Browns under four and a half.
21:58
They've got three wins currently. A lot of that is gonna come down to, uh, how you feel about the B- first of all, the Browns play the Steelers. That's the fly in this ointment. Mm-hmm. Right?
22:09
So one of them has to win that game, but I don't have the Browns winning two more games in their remaining schedule. I might not even have them winning one. So- So those are my two. So Brian brought this up to us.
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I was looking at the schedule just even right after the show. I was like, "I think it's a good bet under four and a half." Yeah. And I was gonna write it down for my list too, Gil, but then I, then I thought one thing.
22:27
The Jameis Winston factor. Oh, God. You just cannot handicap. You cannot handicap. Stop it. He's gonna lose you games, he's gonna win games that he shouldn't win. [laughs] So I can't put it down.
22:36
I can't put it down the list. The two I went, uh, with this week, Bears, uh, under for me, under five and a half. [laughs] I just think this is a team that's, uh, gonna come out dud here.
22:46
And this is another one where it's, "Okay, we're getting down to the end. Look at the schedule. I need two more wins. I don't see 'em." And then I doubled down back with the Jets. I, this team's falling apart.
22:56
What have we seen from this team to think you, make you think they're gonna come out and win a couple more games here to get over that number? No shot. Both of us betting against human achievement.
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If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call or text 1-800-GAMBLER. We get tweets at Beating The Book. Uh, Richard Palma, uh, letting me, uh, reminding me to, uh, repeat what Stormy said.
24:02
I'll give Stormy complete credit on this.
24:05
Uh, I believe somebody on Twitter was talking about this, but Stormy brought it up on the Megapod yesterday, uh, which is, you know, I'm on the Packers tomorrow night in the third of the three Thanksgiving games, and, um, there aren't, you know, and out loud I'm like, "Hey, Dolphins in cold weather, this never goes well."
24:21
Uh, well, she actually had the, uh, the numbers to back that up on the Megapod yesterday. Do you have any idea how futile it's been for the Dolphins? Let's, let's use the parameter she did.
24:29
We talked about two not being good there. Yeah. S- sub 40 degrees at kickoff. Sub 40 degrees Fahrenheit we're talking. We're not talking Kelvin or Celsius here. 40 degrees Fahrenheit at kickoff.
24:41
The Dolphins, 11 straight games sub 40 at kickoff they have lost Last win, 2016. Tua, 0 and 4 straight up in those conditions, a 55% completion rate, four touchdowns, five picks, and a total QBR of
24:59
21- Oh, boy. [laughs]... out of 100. Yeah. That is not a good, uh, QBR. The, uh, I forgot to bring up, the one, the...
25:07
I felt like a true Megapod fan yesterday when I was listening, because what, what, what's one of the biggest reactions you always get is the, is the potty mouth language, right? Yes. That you're surprised by? Yeah.
25:17
I'm used to you guys, but Stormy said a word and I was like, "Oh, my." There was- "Oh, oh my." [laughs] You clutched your pearls? Yeah, I clutched my pearls. Oh, my.
25:24
[laughs] Uh, Los Vegas, uh, 514, "Yo, we have to have Young Kelly bust a rhyme at least once. Poor Righteous Teachers is a great starting point. Let's go." "Get your game together," Kelly says.
25:33
Oh, and New Jersey New York, you're absolutely right. My bad. I was going through the, uh, Aaron Schatz DVOA stuff, and he says, "To correct quickly, the '07 Pats, of course, did not win a Super Bowl."
25:43
Yes, you are, you are absolutely right. [laughs] He goes, "I'm a, I'm a miserable enough Giants season ticket holder. Please don't take that away from me." You're absolutely right.
25:50
The only team to go undefeated that far and then lose in a Super Bowl. And then Matthew Mayberry was wondering about those DVOA stats of all time. He goes, "Are the '98 Vikings high on the list of great teams?
26:01
We got robbed of that Vikings Broncos Super Bowl in '98. Thanks, Gary Anderson." Mm. "Picked a great time to miss your first field goal of the season."
26:08
Uh, I hate to tell you this, Matthew Mayberry, you're not on the best. You're actually, you know that list of 10 and 1 teams or better, where I said the Chiefs were the fourth worst of all time through 11 games? No way.
26:18
The Vikings, according to Aaron Schatz's DVOA, are the... Really? Yes. That Vikings team? Are the three, six, nine, 12th the worst 10 and 1 team or better of all time through 11 games. Wow.
26:32
All right, we'll get some more tweets coming up. Jim Root joins us courtesy of the Progressive guest line.
26:36
He is one-third, I think it's one-third, he may have a different percentage, of the, uh, three-man weave college basketball trinity. He joins us now from, uh, the heartland. How you doing, Jim? What's happening, man?
26:49
I'm good. Yeah, it's, uh, the midst of feast week, so I, I'm just trying to stay alive.
26:54
Staying up late for Maui games, waking up early to record podcasts with, with the Weavers has been, you know, burning it at both ends, but there's a lot of basketball, so it's fine. The Weavers.
27:02
First of all, you have a Packers helmet behind you. I don't wanna just, uh, neglect that. You think they're winning tomorrow night? I do. I, I love the cold weather stats you just gave on Tua. That is heartening for me.
27:12
Only worry is the, uh, the secondary for the Packers with Jaire Alexander and apparently Xavier McKinney missed practice for personal reasons yesterday. They need him in there. Okay, to college basketball.
27:21
By the way, you can follow Jim, one of the great, uh, Twitter handles, @2ndChancePoints. That's with the number two. Uh, should we be worried about Yukon?
27:29
Yukon has lost two straight games in a row, really close games, one to Memphis, where Danny Hurley lost his ever-loving mind. Uh, no arrogance whatsoever from Dan Hurley in all of that.
27:40
And then they lose to Colorado, uh, yesterday by a point. Should be w- should we be worried about them at all? I'm a little worried, yeah. I think the interior defense is a, a major concern.
27:50
Compared to last year, they had Donovan Clingan basically cleaning everything up, and now you've got Tarris Reed and Samson Johnson, both of whom commit fouls like crazy. A- and they're sending teams to the line a ton.
27:59
I believe they've given up 68 free throws in two games, and they're not really getting pressure turnovers out of that. Usually, that's the trade-off.
28:06
You, you get turnovers and, and that leads to fouls, but they're not getting that.
28:10
So the fact that they haven't figured that out and they, they don't may- they may- might not have a solution for that, the interior defense, and their perimeter's been shaky.
28:19
Aiden Mahany obviously basically got banned from the rotation last game. I'm a little worried about Yukon, especially, like, I don't think they're the Big East favorite anymore.
28:27
I'd say Marquette has, has usurped them there. Well, I'm a little worried about Danny Hurley's ego. Good God. [laughs] T- tamp it down, Danny. My God. Yeah. Yeah, we did a little section on our pod this morning about Mr.
28:38
Hurley. Oh, you did? I, I'm not sure what his deal is. Calm down. You've won two national titles. It's okay. That's right. [laughs] Relax. What are you still angry about? [laughs] Uh, it's really amazing.
28:47
Uh, should we be worried at all about Duke? Duke has lost to Kentucky and Kansas now after last night. Worried about them at all? A little.
28:56
I mean, 10 minutes of no Hunter Dickinson last night, and they couldn't get over the hump. That was kinda shocking to me. And then the late game stuff, i- it really seems like an issue.
29:04
I'm not sure what Jon Scheyer's drawing up. The, uh, the drive to the left against Kentucky for Cooper Flagg didn't make sense.
29:11
And then last night you've got Knipple being the handler despite Tyrese Proctor clearly outplaying him most of that game a- and no Proctor touches. They've got some stuff to sort out.
29:20
I know they're young and it's late game stuff, but they're gonna be young-ish for most of the year. Uh, and they just don't really seem to have a pecking order.
29:29
So I, I think Duke, their defense is gonna continue to be excellent, and they've got all kinds of defenders o- on that end with Brown, with Maluach, with Flagg. Uh, Proctor's a terrific perimeter defender.
29:38
But the offense is gonna have some, some quirks in the half court that I think they need to figure out, and especially down the stretch of games.
29:45
We were talking about this a little before you got on air, but, uh, Matt Youmans makes it an annual tradition for him to go to the Maui Tournament.
29:51
You, uh, you've been before, and you're debating next year Maui or Atlantis. I mean, how great is this for college basketball? I love this time of year. Yeah, it's fantastic.
30:00
I mean, you just, you get a lot of teams that, you know, set their schedule up to have bye games and not really play anybody, but then this is the week basically everybody dials in. You get these big time tournaments.
30:10
I know the, the players' era in Las Vegas is starting to try to wrestle teams away from Atlantis and from Maui, but th- there's no better tournament than Maui, just the, the site.
30:19
The, the Civic Center is a great, great venue for it. And then get down to the ballroom in Atlantis. That tips off today, too. That's another great tradition. Mm.
30:26
So I, I like having this week where we know we're gonna get big games. And they have sponsors where you're like, "What is this? Terry's Chocolate?" [laughs] You're like, "What?"
30:34
Uh- It's hard, it's hard to beat the four, the four Bs, right? Basketball, beach, booze, and something else. Betting. Mm. Boom. There you go. I was wondering where you were going with that. [laughs] Four Bs.
30:44
Uh, last thing before we get to your picks Give me the team that you've seen. I've asked this in, in some form of you before.
30:50
But give me the team that you're, you're watching right now, and you're like, "Oh, this team is way scrappier, way more live than I might have imagined them to be."
30:58
I'll go with Cincinnati, and I know they haven't played a great schedule yet, but just the depth that they've shown.
31:03
Dan Skillings has been out with a knee injury, arguably their best player, and they've just continued to demolish people. They went across the river to Northern Kentucky and, and destroyed them.
31:12
We saw it happen when Rutgers played a road game at a mid-major. That didn't go well. Cincinnati was completely unbothered. And then they went down to Georgia Tech and blew out Georgia Tech by 20 plus.
31:21
Um, so I, I think Cincinnati, they've ascended into the top 10 at Kenpom. Maybe they're not quite eighth best in the country, but I think they're a legit top 15 and, and could continue rising if they get Skillings back.
31:31
All right, the correct answer to that question was Alabama. Alabama. Is that right? [laughs] Oh, okay. Okay. Totally, totally playing.
31:38
Um, no, Alabama I think is, is live for big things, but they might have not been the, uh, the category that I was referring to there for you. Okay, let's get to the good stuff. Your picks today, sir, are...
31:49
Uh, yeah, we'll start in Atlantis. 7:33 on the betting board, Oklahoma minus two. Uh, they've been better in buy games than I expected.
31:58
Porter Moser's team kind of taking care of business, whereas their opponent here, Providence, has not been good. They've kind of flirted with disaster a few times. The offense has looked really bad.
32:08
A- and I think some people are hoping that the Friars get a boost from Bryce Hopkins, who may or may not debut today. But Kim English had some quotes that their coach, that he wasn't positive Hopkins is gonna play.
32:19
He's definitely gonna be on a minutes limit if he does. He's coming back from a torn ACL. I don't expect him to be, uh, his full self quite yet. So I- I'm taking Oklahoma there. I just, I prefer the coach.
32:29
I like the price down in Atlantis. Give me the Sooners. Um, second one is a neighbor. Actually, the other two are both in Vegas, so in case both of you wanna get a live look at- Mm-hmm... my other bets here.
32:40
7:47 on the board, Texas A&M minus three and a half over Creighton. Creighton's a disaster right now. They, they look really bad. Ooh.
32:48
Back-to-back games of just g- getting taken to the woodshed by double digits by unranked teams, one of them at home.
32:54
Steven Ashworth out takes away a lot of shooting, puts the ball in Papa Isaac's hands a little too much for me. And Texas A&M coming off that loss, physicality that they have, I think that's gonna bother Creighton.
33:04
Then the last one, out in Henderson, Long Beach State, San Jose State, the under 728 on the board, under 128. Long Beach cannot score. Their coach is a former San Diego State assistant, Eric Acker.
33:18
Uh, we, we've seen San Diego State teams be ugly offensively for a while, and this team is taking after their, their mentor, their, their former coach there. Uh, they can't get over 50.
33:28
San Jose State also loves to slow it down, play in the half courts. Third game in three days for both these teams. It's kind of been an under venue throughout this event.
33:36
I think it all adds up to a nice under bet there, uh, late night in Vegas. Dollar Loan Center Arena, at least that's what it used to be called. It's our favorite arena here, 4,000 capacity. Greatest arena in the world.
33:48
It is. Where we saw Wembanyama live. Wemby with like 200 people. It was great. That's right. It's fantastic. Uh, thanks for the rotation numbers as always, Jim. Appreciate it, man. Yep. Thanks for having me, fellas.
33:58
Good to talk to you. You too. Jim Root. He's on the, uh, fade Creighton train as well, like, uh, our sausage king of Omaha, Kelly. Coming back with JVT next.
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35:07
Gil Alexander, we get tweets at Beating The Book, cheap prop bets. If you could in fact travel back in time and could make only one massive bet and your winnings are the same, which market are you selecting?
35:17
And your winnings are the same. Yeah, I didn't, I actually didn't read that part of it. I just read the beginning and imme- I actually replied, immediately replied with Jake Paul just 'cause I'm still angry about that.
35:25
Yeah. I to- I told you, I'm gonna be angry for the rest of 2024. I don't know, bet more on Mayweather, I guess, kind of thing, even though I bet a lot. Mm-hmm. Spence, Spence CC.
35:34
Isn't the case, isn't this the case with all awards voters? See Rudy Gobert last year. I think mainly they get it right overall, but it's almost like they think, "What's the very minimum I can do here?"
35:43
Talking about Heisman. Uh, I kind of agree with that, Spence. After hearing Futek yesterday, you're probably right. [laughs] Like, most of these, most of these 938 Heisman voters are just gonna mail it in with, "Oh, who?
35:52
Travis Hunter plays both sides? Okay, sure." I mean, I think there are any award, right? Yes, there are gonna be some people that take it far more seriously than others.
36:02
Uh, Joby, the real Joby, meant to tweet this yesterday, but I was so shook. Have you seen the new Jardiance commercial?
36:06
The song and, and catchy jingle have been completely overshadowed by the laundry list of side effects, possible lower limb loss amongst them. What? Oh, we can't have that. Yeah, I don't know.
36:16
I don't know if I've seen that one. Shades of Mako also mad at Futek. He says, "I had to look up Boise, uh, s- Boise's TV schedule in order, ESPN U, Peacock, FS1, FS2, CBS Sports Network, FS1, [laughs]
36:29
Fox, CBS Sports Network, Fox this weekend." If FS, if FS1 has been so inaccessible to Futek, he can finally watch Gen Z on Fox this weekend. So this was kind of my point, though.
36:38
The only one you really rattled off there was, what, Peacock? Was that one? Like, that would have, like, in the McCaffrey days, that would have been the only one that wasn't available. F- uh, uh, F- FS1 was around.
36:48
Uh, they didn't ha- they did not show Stanford football when it was Luck and McCaffrey. It was just not on that often. It really wasn't My recollection. Bert Wedemeyer, "Great podcast as usual.
36:58
A lot of F-bombs with a young Stormy in the house. She is a trooper. All in good fun. Have a happy Thanksgiving guys and gals." You too. Jamie Leyva, "Does Abe Froman, Sausage King, have any other plays for today?
37:06
Take it easy tonight on Drinksgiving, Mr. Bidlin." I don't know. I hope he stops by again. We're gonna need you at full strength tomorrow. Have a great day, gentlemen. You too.
37:14
Uh, and Brandon Kyle says, "Gil, if nothing else, you'll get, uh, you'll get live through those adjusted win total bets through the lens of Hard Knocks: AFC North starting December 3rd, I'm pretty sure."
37:22
Looking forward to that. Uh, Jason Stark is mad at me 'cause he says, "Doing it again, huh? Glutton for punishment with the Steelers unders." [laughs] Jason.
37:31
And then Primetime says, "Yo, hey man, I'm sorry, am I crazy or is this choreography team at Jardian mailing it in with the newest commercials?" People are all, uh, all shook up over that.
37:40
He says, "Since your interview with the OG lady, subsequent dances are most definitely minus EV." Negative, negative EV. Oh, yeah, I pulled, I pulled it up right now. Yeah, I've seen this before.
37:48
And last two, KissTheDegenerate, "Is it wrong of me feeling motivated to listen to the NFL Megapod just to hear Stormy's foul potty mouth? Actually very excited about it."
37:56
[laughs] And then, and then, uh, Larry Fresh, uh, "Shout out to Stormy for doing the Megapod. Hopefully she returns next year." Good friend Chillionare says, "Babes was the other B you were looking for."
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And Matt Krallin, "Kelvin, LOL. Nerd humor. Nerd humor is one of the many reasons this show kills." Thank you. Glad you appreciate it. I had those four B's all loaded up and I totally blanked on the last one.
38:17
[laughs] JVT is in the house, @meJVT on Twitter. He is the host of, uh, VSAN Primetime, and of course our NBA senior analyst, but he goes well beyond the NBA. He joins us now from his, uh, place.
38:27
Happy Thanksgiving, John. Uh, Happy Thanksgiving, guys. I don't wanna derail anything, but I would like to go back.
38:33
Was somebody telling you that they couldn't watch Ashton Jeanty and thus they're not gonna vote for him for Heisman? They weren't saying, "And thus," they didn't go as far.
38:39
Peter Futack from College Football News, he didn't go as far as saying, "And thus I won't vote for him," but he was... I, I was saying, "Isn't..." You know, I was making the case for Jeanty at plus 750. Right.
38:48
And he was talking about how, yeah, most of these voters probably don't even see him. That's fucking- And, uh, yeah, people went crazy, as they should. Yeah. I mean, look, if...
38:58
And I say this a lot about, like, the NBA awards, right? Like, and this is a little bit different because the NBA awards are tied financially to these guys, right? Like, certain...
39:04
When it comes to, uh, max contracts, things like that, they're tied into how many all NBA teams, you know, things like that, whatever. Um, if you have a vote in anything, it is your job to do your due diligence.
39:14
Stay up a little bit late, watch the games. It's 2024, uh, there's YouTube, there's all sorts of things. That, that's probab- that's pretty insane if that's actually true for some of these folks, so. Yeah.
39:22
Yeah, it's a little disheartening to hear. But I think we're... I think, again, all of us who are betting on these things are always sadly surprised by...
39:28
Remember when Lebatard, like, sell, sold his MV- his, uh, Major League Baseball- Oh, yeah... vote? Like, he gave it away to somebody. I mean, it's like that, that kinda stuff, right? So. I believe...
39:39
But I believe his was actually the Hall of Fame ballot, was it not? It was. Like, he was trying to prove a point- Yes... about the whole steroid thing or whatever.
39:45
But regardless, to your point, I actually go back two years ago where the Kings, I don't know what was happening with the Kings. I wanna say one of their players was up for an award potentially, whatever it was.
39:54
But regardless, after the All-Star break, the Kings finally have a primetime game on ESPN, and Michael Wilbon openly admits that this is gonna be, like, the second time he watched them. Oh. And he's an awards voter. Oh.
40:04
[laughs] Like, [laughs] things like that are absolutely insane to me. It's insane. I, I just don't get it. Yeah. Do you have a Heisman bet, uh, John? I do.
40:11
I, I still, I still think I have a little bit of life here with Cam Ward. So I've got a couple. Like, the, the big long shots are dead, you know. I had Rocco Becht at, uh, 10,000 to 1.
40:18
Uh, he's obviously not gonna get there. Had, um, Dillon Royal at 500 to 1. That was eliminated a long time ago. So the one that's still got some legs is Cam Ward.
40:26
If he can, of course, go on, maybe win a conference championship game, be a one-loss quarterback. His numbers are very good.
40:30
The question is just, right, like, how do you measure what you guys were referencing, which is, you know, some pretty good and bonkers numbers for a quarterback that might lead a one-loss ACC champ versus a two-way player on a team that's got those losses not competing for their conference championship.
40:44
It'll be really interesting to see, 'cause I feel like I've got a small advantage because, like you guys were talking about, right?
40:49
Voters are lazy, and they'll just go, "That quarterback at Miami, he's got some pretty good numbers. Let's give it to this guy."
40:54
Um, so maybe that's gonna help, but that's the only one I've got alive at 10 to 1 for Cam Ward. We'll do this in reverse order since we're on college football.
41:00
Give me your, uh, give me the JVT, uh, scenario that you think is gonna play out. What's your most controversial opinion, uh, as to how you think this is gonna play out for the playoffs? Yeah.
41:10
I don't know if this is controversial, but I'll stick with the ACC.
41:13
You know, I was talking about this with Tim yesterday, where it seems very likely that we're gonna get two ACC teams in, potentially, and I think that that should keep out a team like Alabama, who for some reason is the talk of the town, but they're setting it up.
41:23
I mean, Tim brought up a great point when we talked about it yesterday, you know, where they're ahead of Ole Miss, South Carolina, and should one of these teams ahead of them fall back out, then maybe they're gonna have to force their way in.
41:32
But if you look at both SMU and Miami, and you have them both in an ACC championship game, and it's a tightly fought contest where both team...
41:40
You know, whoever loses, loses by a single score, a field goal, a touchdown, whatever it may be.
41:45
You would think if they both win, of course, and, and move on in terms of winning their 11th game this coming weekend, then you're probably not gonna fall that far.
41:52
You're probably talking about two top eight teams at the very least. Would that one loss in a conference championship be enough, especially if it's a tight one, to knock you out of the playoff? I would say no.
42:01
So I think that I'm looking at that, the fact that we're probably gonna get two ACC teams in, and you're laying a pretty short price on SMU, like I think minus 170 to make it to the playoff.
42:09
Like, I wouldn't say no to that, 'cause I do think that this is a very good team that obviously can compete with the bad defensive team in Miami.
42:14
Uh, and I think there's a pretty clear path for both of them to making it to the playoff. I noted exactly what Tim did, that Alabama was, uh, nicely- Yep...
42:20
ensconced at number 13, just, uh, just on the outside looking in, just in case. Uh- Just in case... what's your favorite college football play this weekend?
42:27
So I think there's a couple, uh, that are really interesting to me.
42:30
I, I'll, I'll point out one, and this has moved, so I wanna see if this comes back, but, uh, Boise State is laying a pretty big number here against Oregon State, 19. Wait to see if this climbs back up there.
42:39
But Oregon State, I talked about this yesterday with Lombardi Line, I think they're in a pretty good situation. They finally got off the schneid. They went out right against Washington State.
42:46
And I think the sneaky part about what Boise State is facing right now is they are one that, uh, you know, controls their own destiny, if you will. But they don't need style points. They don't need any of this.
42:54
They just need to win and move on, and they will be into the college football playoff. They will get their bye week.
42:58
And so I do wonder if there's going to be a sense of, "If we're in control of this game," should that appear so, "then we're going to be able to call the dogs off."
43:05
But irregardless of that, I just think Boise's really been in good form. We're talking about a team in the last six games that's covered three of them.
43:10
One of them was one of the most ridiculous beats you'll see in college football this year, the San Jose State game, which of course I was on, watching that, uh, absolutely melt down.
43:17
They, they've been in these one-score games in the fourth quarters with lesser teams, Hawaii, Nevada. You know, the list goes on. I don't think that this is a team that is really peaking at the right time.
43:25
And of course, we saw Ashton Jeanty. He's gonna play, there's no worry, but gets a little dinged up.
43:28
You do wonder if maybe they're gonna have some bigger things on their mind as they look ahead to a Mountain West Championship game, which right now seems to be UNLV as they're 17 and a half point favorites against Nevada.
43:36
So Oregon State catching the points there against Boise State would be at the top of the list. And I'll say really quickly, uh, San Jose State laying three against Stanford, too. This is all on Black Friday.
43:45
Uh, I think Spartans are in a pretty good spot. Two really tough losses, right? You lost to Boise State. You lost in a mon- a monsoon to UNLV. But now here you get Stanford coming off of the big game against Cal.
43:54
They blew that against them as a 14-point underdog. Now you gotta go on the road with a little bit of a rest disadvantage. I think it sets up well for the Spartans there on Black Friday.
44:02
NBA tonight, non-cup games, anything? Yeah, it l- means a little bit more, man. These, uh, NBA Cup games have been absolutely fantastic, so I'm a little down to watch this slate tonight.
44:10
No, I, I'd say there's a couple of things. Uh, first off, uh, Atlanta catching the points against Cleveland, uh, so I took a little 10 and a half here with Atlanta.
44:18
Obviously, the Hawks are getting a little bit healthier here at this point right now. Only Trae Young on the injury report.
44:22
Uh, but you have your litany of wing defenders that are gonna be out there and, and ready and available for you.
44:26
Uh, this is a two-day rest advantage for Cleveland, but I think Atlanta's gonna be pretty live here against the Cavaliers to stay inside of that number. I've liked what I've seen from them.
44:34
I think Kelly and I were texting about this earlier. Uh, but did like two and a half with OKC against Golden State with the thought that Steph Curry will not play tonight. John, happy Thanksgiving.
44:42
Enjoy the holiday, man. Happy Thanksgiving, guys. Thank you very much. @mejvt is where you can find John on Twitter, courtesy of the Progressive guest line. Uh, Jason Weingarten, Dallin Cuff, Matt Brown.
44:52
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