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Aug 4, 2025
Best of A Numbers Game | August 4, 2025
Best of A Numbers Game | August 4, 2025
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0:55
Always appreciate the feedback. This is from, uh, TheRealNix. I'm not sure what the, what, what prompted this, but you know what he says?
1:01
He goes, "I want you and especially your degenerate friend Kelly to know gambling's illegal at Bushwood and I never slice." From Caddyshack. Who was that, uh, what was my man's name? Ted Knight who said that, I believe.
1:11
Is that the, is that the judge's name? Yes, the judge. Ted, played by Ted Knight. [laughs] Did not know the actor's name. Oh, legendary. Mary Tyler Moore Show and whatever. Yeah.
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I, I do have a great Bushwood Country Club T-shirt that I love wearing. Oh, yeah. I love wearing because you get the...
1:26
I mean, it looks like a country club shirt, so some, like, people that don't know, like, you just, you just breeze through like you've got some nice country club shirt on.
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But then every once in a while you get the one guy that's like, "Ah, Bushwood." [laughs] Did Ted Knight say that or did Chevy Chase say that in Caddyshack? I can't remember. No, no. Yeah, you're, you're right. Yeah.
1:40
Ted Knight did. Uh, Jason Stark, "We get Todd today on ANG. Let's go." Todd Wisniewski, people are pumped. Teasers and parlays. Super pumped for Wisniewski. In studio with Gil and Kelly. Let's go.
1:50
Uh, BobC137, "It's Hard Knocks eve." Hard Knocks eve. Hard Knocks, uh, starts tonight or tomorrow. Um- Yeah, I think it's usually Tuesdays, right, they were doing those? Uh, who'd we get?
2:01
We get the Buffalo Bills on Hard Knocks? Is that who we're getting? Who's, who's, who's the Hard Knocks now? See, I got no idea. I haven't watched Hard Knocks- I think-... in like three years.
2:08
I think it's the Buffalo Bills if I'm not mistaken for Hard Knocks, uh, 2025. It's great. You and I have talked about this so many times off air, but I'll just say it on air real quick. Mm-hmm. It, it's great.
2:18
It is awesome. It's awesome television. It's just so formulaic that, like, I've seen enough of them from that by now, I, I... It's just tough for me to really get into them.
2:27
Well, you are referring specifically, if I may save you on this, to Hard Knocks classic. Yeah. The Hard Knocks preseason, I agree with you, is super formul- formulaic, and is kind of...
2:41
I'm not, I'm not really sure what else you can do with it that's going to, unless you just, you luck into, um- It, and, I mean, like, it's unfair of me, Gil, 'cause the stories are great. Yeah.
2:49
It's only, the stories are awesome, right? Like, they, they, you get to hear from the random fourth round draft pick, right, who's trying to make the team, and he's got a great background story.
2:57
It's just, I, I, it's every year. But every once in a while you run into the Cleveland Browns year with Baker Mayfield and Hue Jackson, which is spectacular, and they'll...
3:09
I don't know if they'll ever do this again, but the preseason Hard Knocks with the New York Giants will live in infamy. Oh, gosh. Yes, it will.
3:14
How they botched the Saquon Barkley thing and just [laughs] it was just fantastic. So you do luck into it once in a while. A- and, and to your point- Yeah... the in-season stuff I do enjoy more too.
3:24
Like, I watched more of the in-season last year than I did of w- uh, whoever was in the preseason. Uh, Mikey P says, "Just give it some time.
3:31
I bet Major League Baseball Rookie of the Year will start giving Kelly fits just like NFL Comeback Player of the Year does." Oh. [laughs] I'm glad that tweet got brought up, Gil. Yeah.
3:39
Because, uh, your boy Kelly might have made a bet- Oh... in the NFL Comeback Player of the Year market. What'd you bet? I was gonna save it for the end of the show, but I guess we led right into it.
3:49
I saw, sa- found a four to one on Dak Prescott. We talked a lot about this last week. Mm. I'm in on Dak. You are so locked into Dak.
3:57
I'm locked into the Cowboys offense, and I think that the rest of that Comeback Player of the Year market is... Okay, we got A- Aiden Hutchinson, Christian McCaffrey, great players.
4:06
It's just so much tougher to stand out as a defensive end or even a running back than I, what a quarterback can do we, uh, week to week out there. So I expect Dak and this offense to have a big, big year.
4:17
Um, I think with him coming off that injury, he fits right into what the rules demand of a Comeback Player of the Year, and I, I just... Like, can, can Hutchinson beat him? Can even Trevor Lawrence beat him?
4:28
Can McCaffrey beat him? Yeah. I think it's a smaller group of players. Do you really think M- uh, Lawrence is gonna have a better year than Dak Prescott? No. 'Cause he's getting a lot of steam here re- recently.
4:37
No, I don't. Okay, I don't either. Yeah. And look, Hutchinson was amazing last year. W- are we gonna expect him to be back to, like, Defensive Player of the Year level?
4:44
Like, I think that's a little unfair to expect, and I think it's a little unfair to expect McCaffrey to ha- to run as well as he did three years ago coming off of age, injury, all that stuff. Um- I'm in. Let's go Dak...
4:56
this has nothing... Well, it doesn't have nothing to do with this. Sure I'll complain about it 19 more times before, between now and Christmas?
5:02
[laughs] I, I was gonna say be- before the end of the year, but that's, that's not fair. These Micah Parsons negotiations are going really well for Dallas, side note.
5:09
Dude, what is, what is, what, what is with the entire NFL? I love that Micah Parsons called out Jerry Jones on this.
5:16
I love it, that he's like, "Oh, it's just," like for all, for anybody who didn't know this, this is what Jerry Jones does. He completely goes around the agent, gets me in a room, right? Acts like we agreed on something.
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Then, uh, when my agent calls him, he's like, "Oh, we, Mike and I already agreed on some stuff," and this is how Jerry operates, and y'all should know about this. This is me paraphrasing.
5:37
And it's, it's fantastic to get that window. This is also fa- sim- it's becoming similar to the Emmitt story at the end, right?
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I thi- I think that Em- Emmitt Smith at the end had s- some similar things going on with him. Uh- Emmitt Smith ended up holding out the first two games of that season. They went 0 and 2, and they caved.
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Is that what it was? Yeah. Was those two, first two games? Yeah. Yeah. The, um- As memory serves... I mean, dude, we're, we're talking now. We, it is- Yeah. I feel like me and you brushed off all...
6:05
I'll, I'll speak for myself. I brushed off all of these things.
6:08
McCourty, Hendrickson, Micah Parsons, they're all gonna get done with Hendrickson maybe looking the most iffy of all three, but I fully believed all three would get done And that was like a week and a half ago I was that confident about it.
6:20
Gil, I have no idea what's going on with these guys now. I have no idea. Mm, I still think Skins will sign McLaurin. I- But we'll see. That wouldn't...
6:29
I mean, I think him and Micah leaving would be shocking, and I don't, I won't believe it till I see it. But man, par- like, to your point, Parsons said some things that are- Wow...
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you've now put out in the public that this is, it is hard to repair that type of relationship. Like I said, you think Henderson and McLaurin are mad? I present Micah Parsons. Right.
6:49
Uh, let's go to these, uh, MLB awards, uh, real quick before we get to Spour. AL and NL MVP. Um, so AL MVP, as we know, uh, Aaron Judge hasn't played since the 25th of July.
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Yankees, since he's been out of the lineup, are four and five. Judge, 342 average, 37 homers, 85 RBI when he left.
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That's still to this moment remains first, fourth, and fifth in the Triple Crown race, and he hasn't played since July 25th.
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He is expected to come back, or the earliest he could come back is actually tomorrow against the Rangers.
7:23
I thought the Rangers would clear him completely, but it sounds like the Yankees are trying to get him into the Rangers series tomorrow. So even in his absence, he's still first, fourth, and fifth in the Triple Crown.
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And Cal Raleigh, by contrast, who has five more homers than Judge, 42 to 37, has three more RBI than Judge, 88 to 85, average nowhere close to Judge's. Um, he's only hit four homers in his last 19 games.
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And remember every- remember when everybody was like, "Oh, Cal Raleigh, MVP," and I was like, "No." Yep, yep. No. Aaron Judge minus 185 is correct. He should be the favorite, and even his absence.
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And by the way, Cal Raleigh, if you watch a Mariners game, Cal Raleigh just feels like one of many home run bats now. So there's that kind of weird feel to him also. Oh, that's an interesting call.
8:12
He just- I mean, you-... kind of feels like one guy in the middle of anybody who could jack one. You're a team that's made multiple trades now, right? Yeah.
8:19
Like, you were a better story when you were kind of the sole star of that team. But the point- Or one of the few... but the real point is, this was his time to, like, build leads on Judge in all those categories.
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He really didn't. Okay. So- So this number, w- like, like I said, as soon as he got hurt, I'd probably look, look to see if there was much, if there was a dip here at any point. This hasn't dipped too much.
8:42
Is this a bettable number, minus 185 on Judge? I think it is. I think it is.
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If, if you, if you're one of these bettors who could, does, you know, I know, I know a lot of bettors don't like laying juice, but I, I think minus 185 is still a good bet. I mi- I might get involved. NL MVP.
8:59
W- would you like to hear really quick what the open MLB futures I have are? Oh, yeah, please. Yankees minus 220 to win the AL East, okay? Mm, good. No, not good.
9:06
Aaron Judge no on the Triple C- Crown winner at minus 220. Well- That's from way earlier in the season... that, that might still work out... and now I'm considering adding an Aaron Judge MVP bet. The second one's good.
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For people not knowing me, it would be like they think I'm the biggest Yankees fan on the planet, 'cause that's all, all the bets I have involve the Yankees. [laughs] It's Mr. Yankee. Yeah, Mr. Yankee.
9:24
No, I mean your, your not to win the Triple Crown is a good bet, I think. Yeah. First, fourth, and fifth. Uh, the absence helped you, let's put it that way.
9:31
Uh, and then for NL MVP, Shohei remains a really large favorite in, uh, National League MVP. I think he's a $6 favorite. Is it $8 favorite? Pardon me. I, uh, short-changed him. $8 favorite at DraftKings.
9:43
Pete Co- Arms- Pete Crow-Armstrong, the only other person in single digits at seven to one. This is, to me, this is a case of there just wasn't anybody else who stepped up in a way that could beat Shohei.
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Shohei's hitting 274. He's got 38 homers and 73 RBI. Um, he's gonna start Wednesday against the Cardinals.
10:03
So I know he's only th- he's only pitched 15 innings, but in those 15 innings, he still has a 2.40 ERA, 17 K's against five walks. Pete Crow-Armstrong is hitting 267. He's hit 27 homers.
10:16
I guess he is beating Shohei by five RBI, but that's about it. So the, the pitching, again, unless...
10:21
There, there just was never anyone who had a season this year that threatened Shohei, and as long as Shohei is pitching on top of his amazing batting, I get it. It's minus 800, and I don't see why it shouldn't be.
10:34
Do we think, 'cause g- uh, Chris brought this up, what, last week, right, or the week before? Do we thi- i- it, do we think Ohtani's gonna get, will he be back on the mound regularly through the end of the season?
10:43
I mean, he's starting Wednesday. Okay. We'll see how it goes. They're gonna, they're gonna watch him closely, though, for sure- Man... with the cramping. There's a part of me that wants to bet Schwarber in this.
10:51
I love Kyle Schwarber. I wouldn't. I would, but I hear you. We'll come back. Rookie, excuse me, uh, Cy Young and Spour next.
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11:13
Back on a Numbers Game, live from Circle Resort Casino, downtown Las Vegas. Gil Alexander, Kelly Bilow alongside as well. Uh, Chris Fallica standing by. We get tweets at Beating The Book.
11:23
Scuba Scott, "As a die, die-hard Hard Knocks fan," two hards in a row there, "die-hard Hard Knocks fan, I often wondered why they never allowed you to watch previous years' episodes. Can't find them anywhere."
11:35
Is that true on HBO? You can't, on, uh, now, what is now called HBO Max, you can't go back to previous seasons? Uh, that's interesting.
11:42
JasonH11, "Yo, do you plan on discussing how Todd absolutely destroyed you and Fezzik in tennis, or will he just bring it up on his own?"
11:49
He'll bring it up on his own, because we'll see if he doesn't mention me beating him or how many excuses he'll make for me beating him. So I'll leave it to him. Uh, this is from Trip Tepper.
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"Micah Parsons doesn't have to say a word in a meeting with Dallas, uh, without his agent present. Micah can simply say, 'I don't negotiate or discuss my contract without my agent.'
12:08
Nobody's holding Micah hostage in these meetings. This is all just posturing by Dallas and the player." Yeah, but Trip, that sounds very,
12:16
very naive to- The fact that the player doesn't often know that he's having that kind of discussion, 'cause the way that Micah told, told the story, he thought he was just having a discussion about something else, and it became, apparently to Jerry Jones, a negotiation.
12:32
So I'm not sure if that's 100% fair. Uh, Jakob Ellis, "Over under two and a half Dejanay Carrington rants from Toddy today." [laughs] I'll go over. Um, oh, this is a good one.
12:43
The Man Bear Hawk, "Collins, NL Rookie of the Year," which I mentioned was six to one, he says, "14 to 1 at Caesars, six to one everywhere else." Thank you for that, Man Bear Hawk.
12:53
And then, uh, Robert Squarebob2022, "What if Judge and Raleigh's slumps continue and Scoobel continues to dominate? Scoobel AL MVP at Boyd 90 to 1, worth a unit bet?"
13:05
Yeah, except for the fact that he'll probably win Cy Young, and it'll take a lot for them to get, to give him both those. So I, I would say no.
13:16
Um, but if you wanna put a unit on it, I'm not gonna tell you not to, but I, I don't see it happening.
13:21
Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we had him on the show as we do each and every Friday, um, from his home in Connecticut, courtesy of the Progressive Guest Line. Today, we are, uh, regaled, honored- Mm-hmm...
13:30
to have him in studio. The Bear- The fan favorite... from Fox Sports, Chris Fallica. How you doing, man? I'm well. I'm well.
13:35
Just, uh, out here for a day and a half to two days to, before I head on out to, uh, LA for our Fox football meetings on Tuesday. Meeting up with my man Tom from Vegas Football Proxy, signing up for Survivor. Nice.
13:47
Signing up for the college, uh, Westgate contest, so yeah, we're, uh, we're loving life. Cirka Survivor and the Westgate College- College, yeah. That's it... are you not doing Cirka Millions?
13:55
No, I, I'm probably dead money in that. I'm, I'm- Oh, in the Westgate College one. Yeah, the W- the Westgate College Super Contest, yes. So you're not doing the Westgate Pro Football one? No, I'm not gonna do that.
14:03
Oh, so no pro foot- pro football contest? No pro, no, no pro football contest. I, I, I don't think- Just Survivor though. Yeah, uh, Survivor, absolutely. Yeah.
14:12
I, I just don't, not that I don't trust myself or think I'm a good NFL handicapper, the, the people I'm going against in that contest and what you need to hit to cash in an NFL contest, like, not me, but yeah, I'm looking forward to, uh, yeah, college contest mainly.
14:25
We're doing two, doing two contests. We're doing one on my own, my own seven picks, and then with the, uh, Bear Bits podcast, we're each gonna do a couple- Oh, nice...
14:33
picks a week, and the, the, the plan is gonna be to kinda reveal our card on Thursday, maybe kinda sorta, we'll see how that goes.
14:39
If we wind up being in it, we're, we'll each give a couple of picks a week and- Bear Bits podcast- Yep... is you, Will Hill, Sam P- Sam P and Jeff... and Jeff Schwartz.
14:48
Bear Bits podcast during the football season for tho- who, those who wanna know your schedule is? Thursdays. Both pro and college football on Thursdays. Yeah, yeah, from what, from what I gather.
14:57
B- there might be some tweaks this year with, with, with some things, still being worked out a little bit, but yeah, college is gonna be a main, the main one, and then it's gonna be a shorter NFL one that we're gonna record after the college one.
15:08
Wow, so back-to-back recordings. Yeah. Okay. So Thursdays during the, uh- Yeah, Thursdays, yep... during the year, which is the same day we put out the Megapod.
15:14
So okay, the, just so we get, like, a look behind the curtain, you mentioned you're going to have meetings with Fox Sports- Mm-hmm... for the college football season. What does that look like?
15:23
What do you guys accomplish- It's just-... in those meetings? It's just kind of, like, a big, big team building type take your side.
15:29
We haven't seen every- We, we haven't been together since last December at the conference championship games, and we have our text threads and everything, but yeah, just an opportunity to, to see everybody face to face before we each kinda go our own ways with our own crews and our own shows throughout the year.
15:43
Kinda, we have, we usually have a, either a college coach or a pro coach or a college commissioner, or last year we had Roger Goodell, just kinda come in, get the, get the lay of the land, talk about some things that are going on in either with the college football playoff or the league office or, uh, coverage changes.
16:00
So it, it, it, it, it's fun. It's, it, it's a g- it's a very loose type atmosphere. It's a good opportunity for people to let their guard down and just have some fun.
16:08
And you guys famously have the addition of Dave Portnoy this year. We do. So that's gonna be, so how many people are on that desk? Well, the, the desk is gonna, the desk is gonna be the same.
16:18
It'll be Rob, Urban, Mark, Matt, and Brady. That, that's gonna be the desk. I'll, I'll have my- 'Cause you can't fit another human being- No, no... on there.
16:24
I, I think that was one of the things that I think people got a little confused with or maybe misinterpreted the way maybe the, the, either the announcement came or whatever, was that, "Oh, Dave Portnoy's gonna be on the set the ent- " No, he, it, he's gonna be part of the show.
16:37
I'm sure he'll be- Oh... on the set sometimes.
16:40
I'm sure he'll have, uh, a little side set maybe or maybe do some man on the street interaction with the crowd or whatever, but it's not like he's gonna, you're gonna have, like- It's not a McAfee situation.
16:49
I- I- I, no, no, it's not like we're gonna go, like, seven guys, seven wide on the set. Like, like ESPN- I was gonna say, like-...
16:53
like ESPN used to do on the, on Countdown, where it'd be like, "Yeah, here, here's the, the, the entire offensive line going across," no.
16:59
But he, no, it, it, it's funny, when, when, uh, that got announced, uh, I, I wanted to let it go for a day or two, and I was gonna reach out to Dave.
17:08
I, I was gonna ask, uh, Big Cat or my boss for Dave's number, and then, uh, on that Friday, I want, I'm sitting on the couch just firing on Saratoga.
17:18
[laughs] And all of a sudden I get a text from a number I didn't, didn't recognize. And I pull it up, and it's Dave reaching out to me, which was kinda cool, and he's like, "Yeah, Kirk gave me your number.
17:27
I hope it's okay." You're like, "It's good." He's like, he's like, "Yeah, you like to gamble. Y- you like pizza. You, you like, you like horses. We're g- we're gonna, we're gonna do great." We're gonna do great, okay.
17:35
We're just worried he wasn't gonna be on the desk, the- No, no, no, no, no... not from, not from any hate, just the fact that you have too many human beings- Yeah, correct... at big noon kickoff- Yes...
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desk to begin with. All right, uh, before you go here, a couple w- I don't know, it became a baseball awards hour. I didn't mean it to be that way. It's all right. But, uh, you wanted to talk about AL MVP, uh- NL MVP...
17:52
NL MVP, I'm sorry. Yeah, I, I just wonder the, the, the price on Manny Machado, because you've mentioned- Ooh... about how- 40, 45 to one.
17:59
Yeah, you've mentioned how y- uh, and I think it was even, uh, Mark Bolus earlier said that he thinks the Padres can catch the Dodgers.
18:05
If that's the case, you're not gonna give Shohei the MVP, and if you look at Machado's numbers, I think he's hitting 300 with, like, 20-something homers, 75 RBIs, and, and double-digit steals.
18:17
I- Are you sure you're not gonna give Shohei the MVP? He's still pitching. If the Dodgers, if the, if the Padres win the division? If he still pitches And adds on, and is still like a, you know, has a 2.40 ERA.
18:28
Let's say he pitches the round. I still think it's Shea. How much is he pitching, though? Is he- Well- Is he pitching a three- You're right.
18:33
If he doesn't, if, if the pitching thing does not become a thing, I'm, I'm with you. I, I, I'm, I'm just looking for, for price.
18:39
'Cause like, like you, we're sitting here, August, whatever it is, August 4th, whatever today is. Yeah. Still two months left in the season. No, for sure. It's crazy- More than a quarter... it's crazy to think that.
18:47
And then- More than a quarter... and then the other one is the NL Manager. You're like, we were just talking off-air before- [laughs]... about the Marlins and- This is great... can you name the Marlins manager?
18:56
That, that's how you should open the show. Can you... W- w- there's a couple great trivia questions- Yes... we've had recently. One, can you name the Marlins manager?
19:02
[laughs] We sort of, by the way, FanDuel has Manager of the Year. More, more books have. Mm-hmm. They were the first to put it up- Right... I think in, in the last couple years.
19:08
Now more books have Manager of the Year up. We don't talk about it as much as we do, say, Coach of the Year in the NFL. But we remarked a couple years ago when we first were talking Manager of the Year, how many...
19:19
When we were kids, we could name every Major League Baseball manager. Oh, absolutely. We, we did it one day on text. Right. We just- But, like, can you name, without looking, can you name the Marlins manager?
19:26
But you think there's, that's a bet. I, I think, yeah, McCullough, he's 23 to 1 at FanDuel. Like, I don't know if we're just gonna give it to Pat Murphy, 'cause the, the Brewers have been an unbelievable story.
19:35
But, like, if the Marlins wind up finishing 500 or a couple of games over 500, and even if they don't make... Like, I don't think they're gonna be able to catch those wild cards.
19:45
I think they're seven games behind, or six games behind on the wild card, just 'cause those three wild card teams are excellent.
19:50
But from where they were, a, a team that really hasn't necessarily been in a position to add anything, they get no home, home crowd support. And for them to be sweeping the Yankees, I think they're 500 now.
20:04
If they finish at 500 or above and make a good run here, I don't know, 23 to 1 might, might be worth a little. Yeah.
20:10
I'd rather, I'd rather bet him to win Manager of the Year 23 to 1 than I would the Marlins to make the playoffs at 25 to 1 or whatever.
20:15
So there's American League Manager of the Year, there's National League Manager of the Year. So Pat Murphy, as you said, is the short shot plus, uh, is it plus 175? No, it's minus 175 bet- Really?...
20:23
on me on Pat Murphy. Minus 175. Then it's Counsell of the Cubs, [laughs] Schilt of the Padres, Francona from the Reds, and then Clayton McCullough. You had enough time to answer the trivia question.
20:34
[laughs] Clayton McCullough, 23 to 1 for the Marlins. And, and somehow Bob Melvin at 41 to 1. Somehow Bob Melvin. Yeah, yeah, for the, for the fading- That's right... San Francisco Giants. Uh, yes.
20:44
Uh, do you have a college football nugget before you go, since that is your bread and butter? Uh, I would...
20:50
It's funny, I, I, we were talking yesterday about laying, laying price, and then we- I was talking about it with Fez, uh, on the, on the way back from the tennis, the tennis match yesterday, about laying a price.
21:02
I think the best bet on the board out there in college football is Penn State to make the college football playoff at minus 290. All of college football- All of, like- That's the best bet...
21:10
Penn State is not going to go worse than 10 and 2. Yeah. They have two games on the schedule that they can lose. Oregon at home and the game at Ohio State. They go 10 and 2, they're going... That, that's their baseline.
21:20
They're going to be in the playoff if they go 10 and 2. Some people cringe at minus 290, but value's value. I, I, and, and I know. We were having the conversation, like, people won't...
21:29
He's like, "People won't wanna lay 280 or 290. They'll look for something else to parlay it with." But it's funny, people talk about, like, Penn State, "No, we can't trust them," or whatever.
21:39
Penn State's the most trustworthy football team in- Yeah... college football, 'cause you know exactly what they are every year. Chris Fallica, ladies and gentlemen, in- That's it?... studio. That's, I'm sorry.
21:47
Oh, you wanna stay? You can stay. Yeah, I'ma stay. Stay. Chris Fallica's staying. Numbers Game, VSiN, the sports betting network. [upbeat music] The numbers told the story, they always do.
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He's one of those idiots who believe in analytics. This is a Numbers Game with Gil Alexander on VSiN. Hour number two of Numbers Game at VSiN, the sports betting network.
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VSiN.com, GamePlus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV, and of course SiriusXM channel 158. It's Gil Alexander. Kelly Midlin behind the glass, because we have a in-studio guest this morning, Chris Fallica from Fox Sports.
22:19
And standing by, Chris shaking his head, 'cause he knows what's coming, Todd Wischnev in studio, star of the Megapod. Looking forward to that. Uh, Chris, you still good? Yeah? Yeah, I'm, I'm wonderful. All right.
22:29
We get tweets at Beating The Book. Yeah. Mr. Rothstein, "When, uh, Todd starts talking tennis later, make sure he reveals whether he actually covered the vigor or not.
22:37
Betting 80% [laughs] favorites is not always profitable." Hey, wait a minute. Uh, Drew from Boise, "Great Numbers Game today.
22:44
Looking forward to competing as Average Joe with the Bear and everyone in circa Friday football invitation." All right. Psyched. Looking forward to it. You won that a couple years ago.
22:51
I won it the first year, then I finished, I think, I forget what I finished the second year, and then I finished tied for third last year. There you go. Drew from Boise, great guy. Jason- Awesome...
22:59
Ice Cold Gambler, "Gotta love the Bear on a Numbers Game with Gil." And Kelly saying, "You love gambling, pizza, and betting horses? We'll get along great," talking about, uh, what you said to Portnoy. Yep.
23:07
Yeah, he, yeah, he, he was like, "Yeah, we got some things in common." And I was like, "Yep." Yeah. Enjoy pizza, gambling, and horses. Perfect.
23:12
It's so funny, I saw Will Hill did this thing where you ask Grok, right, the, uh, the AI- Mm-hmm... arm of Twitter, if you will, um, who's the most famous person to ever look at my, uh, ever, ever look at his profile.
23:25
And he got- It was Todd Wischnev? He got Drake. Will Hill got Drake. Really? Drake apparently has looked at his profile. I haven't done this yet. I'm gonna need to do it. So I, it was amusing to all of us.
23:33
So Joe Peeta did it. Joe got you. [laughs] Okay. You're the most- That, sorry, Joe... you're the most famous person to, to... By the way, most famous being number of followers- Mm-hmm... I guess is the metric.
23:43
You know what mine was? Portnoy. All right. Yeah. That was disa- Hmm... that was disappointing. That- I'm, you know, you know, I'm gonna go...
23:49
If, if I ask that question, I might go with someone, like, way off the board here, down. I might go with Kaitlin Collins. Big- Oh... huge Alabama football fan. Yeah. Oh, you think she follows you? Yeah, yeah. Okay.
24:02
Kelly, what did you say? Who do, who followed you? Brent. Brent is Kelly's- Okay, good. Yeah, that's, that's a pretty good one. Yeah, yeah. Hard to, hard to top that. Yeah.
24:09
By the way, uh, Portnoy wasn't disappointing, it was the fact that Will got Drake. Yeah. So I was thinking, will I get Kendrick Lamar or somebody? No.
24:15
So, so Drake's the re- So, so Drake, uh, Will is the reason Drake's losing all that money- [laughs]... on all those bets? Is that what we're- I don't know... trying to do, to do today? I don't know.
24:22
Drake wanted some action. He's a bettor. Oh, yeah. Uh, speaking of action, uh, how about this?
24:26
You can bet on who's gonna start week one for some of these NFL teams Um, now with the Giants, obviously Russell Wilson, big favorite. Yes. He's gonna start. Yes.
24:36
We just saw Jameis Winston doing the Thriller dance- [laughs]... at practice at the goalpost. Not gonna be him. All right, New Orleans Saints. Tyler Shuck, uh, the... You can bet these at FanDuel right now.
24:47
These are FanDuel odds, anyway, we're putting up. Tyler Shuck minus 162, Spencer Rattler plus 136, and then Jake Haener, son of former Bay Area local news anchor Julie Haener, 25 to one. He is the long shot in this.
25:00
Now, the Saints, out loud, are saying this is a legitimate battle for who is gonna start week number one. And by the way, the wording on this is, "Quarterback to take first snap in week one." There we go.
25:14
So the wording is clear. Comes into play. [laughs] Um, do you have a feeling about this, Shuck, Rattler, or Haener? Don't we kinda know what Spencer Rattler is? I, I, I guess,
25:24
are you gonna go into the season with the illusion that you're actually trying? And
25:29
Rattler has been the guy, and he's played quite a bit, and you, you wanna keep the rest of your team happy by starting the veteran who we really don't know if he's any good or not.
25:39
Or are you just gonna say, "Okay, we're just gonna start the rookie right off the bat"? So I was listening to, uh,
25:46
uh, Jensen and, and, and, and Mark on the win, and they had someone who kind of dialed in with the, uh, the Saints and supposedly they said Shuck, Shuck has looked terrible. Oh. Like bad.
25:56
Well, it's worth noting that DraftKings, we're, we're citing the FanDuel numbers, but DraftKings has had Rattler yesterday. I don't think they have it up right now. Rattler is a slight favorite yesterday.
26:06
Yeah, no wonder if that's, yeah, a reaction to that. But yeah, supposedly it, like Shuck is, like well behind in terms of, like how, how it looks. Uh- So we'll see...
26:15
ESPN's Dan Graziano, just to quote one person on this, he said he's convinced Shuck will, will get the job. He said, "Week one starter prediction Shuck.
26:23
I don't know that it's fair to call him, uh, new coach Kelan Moore's pick, but obviously Moore is a fan and might enjoy a chance to build his program-" That's the thing...
26:32
around the guy for whose draft he was already with the organization." It's a skewed sentence, but what he means is he was around when they drafted Shuck. Mm-hmm. He wasn't around- Right...
26:41
when, when the other two guys were drafted. I f- I, I'm gonna go d- like if old take, if like freezing cold takes one and like go back and look, like I thought Jake Haener was gonna be great. I was like
26:51
for him to go and like the, "Oh, I'd love to take Jake Haener in like the third or fourth round and- And they did it at the fourth, I think... and take a chance," I think in the fourth.
26:57
And it hasn't necessarily- Haener was a fourth... worked out. Rattler was a fifth. Shuck was a second last year. Yeah, early s- early second round. Early second. 40th pick in the draft.
27:06
But, but Graziano even says, even though he predicts Shuck, he does say, the last sentence is, "The job will be won or lost on the practice field." So there is...
27:15
I mean, if you want the plus money price on Rattler- Mm... it's not the worst bet in the world at plus 136. I will not be betting it. I, I- I have no idea... not either.
27:21
Uh, the Browns famously with four quarterbacks, Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, and Sanders. Dylan Gabriel and Shedeur Sanders obviously drafted in this last NFL draft.
27:31
Flacco, uh, coming off, uh, or at least not last year, but two years ago, the NFL Comeback Player of the Year with a five... Was that last year or the year before? I can't even remember anymore. About two years ago.
27:40
Two years ago. Yeah, five- The Ham one year... with five games, NFL Comeback Player of the Year. He's minus 215 to start, and I believe part of that is because Kenny Pickett has a hamstring injury.
27:51
So Pickett is plus 340. And also bad. And also, what'd you say? And also bad? [laughs] And also bad. [laughs] And also not good at football. I don't know, man.
27:59
Um, I feel like plus 340 on Pickett just for the same reason we just talked about with Shuck. Who did they... Let, let's put it this way. Let me distill it to this.
28:10
Who did they try the hardest to get out of these four guys? And the answer is probably Pickett, right? 'Cause they traded- Probably, yeah... for him. And we all know the draft day thing, Gabriel wasn't a high pick.
28:21
Shedeur dropped and dropped. I kind of feel like Pickett at plus 340 is a great bet. He's probably the best of four bad options. Yes. And of course, Deshaun Watson we should- Price wise as well...
28:32
Deshaun Watson we should note, obviously- Certainly... out for the year with the kidneys... certainly wouldn't be laying $2 with Joe Flacco. No. No way.
28:37
Like he, he's the, he's there in case of like emergency, everybody's, everybody stinks, break glass, I would think. [laughs] Everybody stinks, break glass. Yes. You say yes. I think that's probably true. He'll...
28:47
Here's the thing, I wouldn't be surprised if all four of those guys took snaps this year, but the question- Snaps? Absolutely... the question is who's taking the first, and I kind of feel Pickett.
28:57
I think Pickett will probably be the guy. Yeah. Plus 340, are you kidding me? Uh, let's do one more of these. This is the Indianapolis Colts. Mm. Okay. Uh, uh, this is... I was curious to see this one because- Yeah...
29:06
I think this is right. I think this is accurate. You do think this is right? A- yes, I do. Anthony Richardson, um, minus 350.
29:14
Daniel Jones, who was getting some love, like we were talking about this like three, four weeks ago. There seemed to be some buzz on- Right... Daniel Jones, who the, uh, Colts acquired this off-season, plus 255.
29:23
Riley Leonard distant third at 80 to one. You are convinced it's Richardson? Y- don't you have to know? You have to know one way or another, like th- this year. He's played parts of seasons.
29:34
He hasn't fully been, been healthy. If, if, if you're s- if you're Shane Steichen, d- don't you have to know this year whether he's, has the potential to be anything or not?
29:44
Put about, see what hap- You're not, you're not a great team. You have an unbelievable quarterback draft coming next year where, uh, you're g- you're gonna have probably, what?
29:53
Maybe five or six maybe in the first round or early second round as well. You can take someone early next year if it turns out that Richard- Richardson isn't the guy. But yeah, I, I think this is a...
30:03
But barring him getting hurt in the preseason- Yeah... I, I, I think he will be the starter. You, you, you are correct. You do have to find out what you have in him. D- was it Chris Ballard, the Colts GM- Mm-hmm...
30:14
who said at one point, though, that they probably made a mistake throwing him in too soon? Was it Chris Ball- I don't, I don't think it was Shane Steichen who said that Probably, probably was.
30:21
It was probably a mistake taking him fourth overall in the draft too. [laughs] But I'm not bitter about that or anything. You, you were... A- of all the people I know- [laughs]...
30:29
you are the most down on him when he was drafted. You were like, "This guy is not good at all."
30:33
Someone made the point that Anthony Richardson, the, the, that part of the reason why Anthony Richardson at minus, Richardson at minus 350 is a good play is that for some reason he really shines in practice.
30:46
And so in training camp situation- Yeah... he will outplay Daniel Jones and he will get the start week one. I, I believe it. You believe that?
30:53
You, you'll, you'll look at him and the w- his athletic ability and with the way he can run and, and throw the ball, and then the lights go on and actual real defenses and pressure, big play. Would it, would it be a...
31:05
I don't know though, man. He's like 11 touchdowns and 13 picks so far in his 15 game NFL career over two seasons. A lot of injuries, right? Yeah. He just can't avoid it. So I don't know. It's not the w- I, I, I...
31:19
Let's put it this way. If I was comparing, if you made me only bet one of these, Daniel Jones is plus 255 here, I would still take Pickett at plus 340 as the better bet. Oh, I b- I think, yeah. Yeah.
31:29
Taking Pickett at plus 340 than laying 350 certainly because- No, but I'm saying between- Oh... Daniel Jones at plus 255 for the Colts- Oh, I, I gotcha... or Pickett. I thought, I thought that you meant any, any- Yeah...
31:38
any partic- No... any single bet on any of those- Yeah... markets. Like I- If I only take one, it's Pickett. Yes. I agree. Yeah. Pickett followed by Rattler followed by Jones. Okay. In that order, I think. Okay.
31:49
Um, all right, let me just, w- we, 'cause we only have you for 60 seconds here more, um, back to the Penn State thing. So Penn State to make the College Football Playoff, best bet in college football.
31:59
That's what I, I think so, yes. Do you... I asked this a few tech last week.
32:03
I feel like, and this is just anecdotal, that there's a lot of, and we've seen this in previous years where it's like, "Oh, Penn State, this is the year. This is the year."
32:10
Do you feel that this is the year where they go beyond that and win it all?
32:15
I think it can be a- and I, I know I'm kind of couching it a little bit, and the reason I think it can be, and people are so high on them, is because you've got the quarterback back, you've got both Allen and Singleton back, and the way the schedule shakes down.
32:28
But it's the fact that of all of the other traditional contenders, there are... Y- you can shoot holes in a lot of them. Like Ohio State's got everyone to replace. Georgia's got people to replace.
32:40
Uh, Alabama's got people to replace.
32:41
Texas', uh, schedule or actually like, th- this is the fr- I, I was trying to go back and think, and I really can't think of a year in recent memory where you can make a legitimate case for six, seven, eight, nine teams potentially- Wow...
32:56
to win the national championship. You look, you look at the odds board- What, what is the weirdest of those teams or the most outlying? I'm gonna get yelled at for saying this. That's why I asked. I think it's Miami.
33:04
[laughs] Where did you, where did you go to school, by the way? Exactly. Yeah. I, I did, I did bring the r- didn't bring the ring, but- Yeah...
33:10
if they beat Notre Dame week one, i- it, like car- they have a, one of the best offensive lines in the country. They've got... They're, they're kind of playing bully ball, bit of bully ball in the trenches.
33:21
That's how Mario is building that team now. Three running backs. You get Notre Dame in the opener. You get Florida at home, and who knows if DJ Lagway is healthy. You don't play Clemson in the regular season.
33:31
Uh, the secondary is gonna be s- so much improved from last year. Heatherman, the defensive coordinator coming in from Minnesota. Like, people who I deal with regularly on Mi- in Miami who are honest with me- Okay...
33:41
are like, "We're gonna be legit good." Chris Fallica, everybody. Todd Wisniew next. Thank you, sir.
33:45
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34:00
Back on The Numbers Game live from Circa Resort Casino, downtown Las Vegas. It's Gil Alexander.
34:05
Um, let's recap the best bets on today's show so we can get back to Wisniew, who Chris Heath has called the wild card on Twitter.
34:12
Uh, Chris Fallica was here with us, uh, earlier on the show, and he had a, uh, a slew of bets. Um, one, Penn State to make the College Football Playoff minus 265.
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He says the best bet on the board in all of college football. Uh, minus 290 is what we're showing right now. Let's be accurate about that. Sorry about that.
34:29
And then Kyle Shanahan, uh, to win Coach of the Year in the NFL at 20/1. Again, doesn't fit the, uh, traditional parameters though, the Cleve TA parameters.
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But both Kelly and Chris like Kyle Shanahan to win Coach of the Year at 20/1 if things break the Niners' way.
34:44
And then Chris also had Manny Machado, NL MVP, taking a shot at that at 45/1, thinking if the Padres can overcome the Dodgers, and perhaps if Shohei's pitching season doesn't amount to a whole bunch of innings pitched, maybe that's the play.
34:58
Kelly has the Colts money line versus the Ravens preseason week one. Hey, how about that? We didn't hear that one earlier. Colts money line versus the Ravens this week in preseason football.
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Remember, preseason only three weeks now, uh, as opposed to the four that, uh, existed a couple years ago, and as opposed to the six, six preseason games back in the '70s. Well, we have three now.
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He's on the Colts versus the Ravens money line week one, and then Dak Prescott 4/1 Comeback Player of the Year in the National Football League.
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36:33
Todd Wisniew, star of the Megapod, joins us once again in studio for segment number three. How about that?
36:39
Well, you know, y- y- you know, Gilly wants me to get up at this ungodly hour to, to like f- you know, 15 or 30 minutes. I'm like, "I'm not getting up to do less than Steve Fezzik with his endless math formulas."
36:51
Okay, I gave you more real sports betting content in the last 30 minutes than you'll see out of that Stevie Fezzik. I'm just kidding. Where, where- Stevie's outstanding... where out of Stevie's?
37:02
Uh- Out of Stevie's tuchus, okay? That's what I, that's what you said. He's just pulling math out of his tuchus, okay?
37:06
[laughs] And, uh, well, the season wins change from 9.15 to 9.17, and clearly That means that minus one is wrong in the week four Is he doing a sportscaster's voice? Yeah, he does it like Harry Carey.
37:19
Oh, hey, this is Stevie Fezzik. Okay. It's not- Thanks... the Megapod. Relax. Uh, one more WN- It's not the Megapod. Relax... one, one more WNBA, uh, play you have.
37:27
By the way, with, with that said, Stevie Fezzik is unbelievable with the math. Yes. I'm just giving him the business. But anyways, uh, one more WNBA. Let's just talk about a futures pick, a long shot shall we say.
37:38
People love long shots, don't they? They do. They do. How about the Atlanta Dream at 15 to one to win the WNBA? Okay, you now have the Links with Collier injured. Mm-hmm. Okay?
37:49
And she, if for people who don't know, Napheesa Collier was the overwhelming choice. Presumptive MVP.
37:54
Presumptive MVP who was playing amazing, and just got injured in a 40-point win, a 50-point win against, uh, the Aces the other day. So you don't know how bad that injury's gonna be.
38:02
We know Brianna Stewart is out for the Liberty, and they have clearly taken on oil when they looked like w- like world beaters early in the season.
38:10
All of a sudden, Brianna Stewart come, goes out of the ga- [laughs] you know, goes out for a number of games. These, these... This team looks normal. You know?
38:16
It's like, I- they have Vaneska still, they have Jonquel Jones, but without Brianna Stewart, it's not that great a team. So that's another one of the big, you know, the big name teams. Mm-hmm.
38:26
Um, the Fever obviously have Caitlin Clark out. You don't even know what's going on with that team. So why couldn't, uh, the Atlanta Dream, who Rhine Howard is supposed to be back, who's another one of their stars.
38:36
They've been winning even without one of their big stars. Rhine Howard comes back. They've got Alicia Gray, Brittney Griner, they've got a bunch of other... They, they picked up Jordan Canada, this little fast guard.
38:45
She's awesome. You know, 15 to one? That's a lot. Love it. Todd Wishem on the WNBA. Didn't see that coming this morning.
38:54
Um, so I mentioned at the beginning you were the star, with apologies to, uh, everybody who spoke at, uh, Fezzik and, and Kevin O'Neill's seminar. Fezzik was great.
39:04
Um, but with apologies to Crack, who apparently was great. Anthony Curtis was great, made an appearance. Jared Smith made an appearance on Saturday. But the day that I was there, you were the absolute star.
39:13
I mentioned you were talking about college basketball, and everybody in attendance loved it. You got a standing... Well, you didn't get a standing O, but you got, you got clapping. You got some applause.
39:21
Um, so I don't wanna, like, leave without you giving a college basketball/college football nugget. Yeah.
39:28
The, just a little nugget to think about if you're betting in-game, and that is do you really wanna bet the full game for whatever you're seeing, or do you wanna just maybe bet the first half?
39:39
You have in-game first half numbers now for a lot of things now with, with a lot of these books will have even team totals in the first half and stuff like that. So
39:47
something to think about when you're making these bets is you're watching, like, Tulane play, uh, I don't know, Charlotte or something, right? Mm-hmm.
39:55
And Tulane is one of these teams, they just hand the ball off and gash them for eight yards, and then 12 yards, and then 16 yards.
40:02
And you're saying to yourself, "I don't think Charlotte can stop them," even though everyone in the stadium knows they're going to hand the ball to this fast running back and he's gonna get another eight yards, right?
40:13
So the question then becomes is are they gonna keep doing this the full game, right? And are they gonna score 60 because they're just gonna keep handing it off and they can't stop him?
40:22
Or is this the kind of team that's gonna bring in, like, their third string and their fourth string and they're gonna do tons of this to the first half.
40:28
They'll score 35, 42 points in the first half, and then all of a sudden score, you know, 10 in the second half. So you wanna be thinking about these ideas wh- when you have an idea to make a bet.
40:37
Like, much like we were talking about in the Brewers game, right? Yeah. Did I wanna do first five and ruin it, or did I wanna go full game? [laughs] Yeah. You know?
40:44
And so you wanna be thinking about these, these parameters as to what is likely to happen. For instance, I'll talk about the famous game of last year, Furman, Ole Miss. Yes. 52 to nothing at the half, folks.
40:58
52 to nothing with Lane Kiffin at the head of Ole Miss. I'm talking to the guys on the, [laughs] on the thing. Mm. It comes out plus 80 and a half. Total for the game was 81 and a half.
41:11
We're like, I'm jumping out of my... Stevie almost jumped through the phone to try to come bet. He was so excited about the bet.
41:17
He, we all wanted to play the, you know, the dog and the under because who's gonna beat somebody by over 80 point? They're not gonna win 83 to nothing, right? [laughs] I mean, you would think, right?
41:26
[laughs] You, one would think. One would think they're gonna call off the dogs. Yeah. Well, let's, let me tell you what happened. It was 76 to nothing, so they had scored 24 more points.
41:37
It was 52, they now are up 76-nothing. Three minutes left in the game. Ole Miss has the ball with their fourth string quarterback in. Now, you would think, what's the...
41:47
By the way, meanwhile, they should've been done, doing this 10 minutes earlier. They should've just been- Right... handing off. Full throttle, baby. They were not handing off. Yeah. Okay?
41:53
[laughs] The, Lane Kiffin was throwing the football, up 76-nothing. It was third and seven from the 17. He threw incomplete. Now it's fourth and seven. Lane, kick the field goal. Go up 79-nothing.
42:07
You're a lot safer here, right? He th- he decides to go for it on f- fine. They do that all the time. They hand it off and the game's over, right? No. He decides to go for it and throws it in the end zone.
42:18
Thank the Lord- [laughs]... incomplete. 76-nothing final. But, but the point is, is that Lane Kiffin is, you have to know about the Lane Kiffins of the world.
42:27
But the point is that many times you just want to avoid fourth quarter shenanigans, so you bet the first halves. Right. And by the way, they have the end of third quarter bet at a lot of places now. Yes.
42:36
Like Caesars has end of third quarter. So if you think a team is going, you know, pull everybody in the fourth quarter, just make that bet. You know, that's a nice bet to make. Yeah. And I do that sometimes in WNBA even.
42:47
When a team is way ahead and you're like, "Okay, they're gonna play hard in the third quarter," but the fourth quarter they're not, who knows what's gonna happen. So that's another great bet that you can make.
42:55
When you do it with your hand like that, I know you're serious. Just bet it. Okay. [laughs] So last thing before we go. 90 seconds, Todd. Uh, you had an experience with Caesars.
43:04
You have a public service announcement of, of just, uh, if people have, have bonuses- Yes... they're coming. What's the story? Okay, here's the deal. Yeah.
43:11
Two years ago I was Seven Stars, and they would just, you get a $1,200 flight credit, a $600 flight credit. You call your VIP guy. He m- he books the flights for you. You don't even have to do anything.
43:21
Now I've fallen back down to Diamond Elite 'cause I don't use Caesars a mu- as much because when I'm in the Rivers Sports Book, Caesars doesn't work in there. Mm-hmm. So I don't have as many bets with Caesars.
43:30
So now I'm Diamond Elite, which is a step down or something, but there's still a $600 flight credit, right? Yeah. So I text my host and I say, "Hey, can you book me the flight?" He goes, "Oh, I'm sorry.
43:39
You're not Seven Stars anymore. I can't do it for you. But what you can do is just buy the flight and go to Caesars Rewards. They'll give you free play for the money." I said, "Okay, fine. I'll do that," right?
43:48
So before I even did it though, I called the host three different times and said, "Hey, how does this work?" And they're like, "Yeah, you just go make your flight. You show us the receipt."
43:57
Some would say you were pedantic about it. I'm pedantic. Yeah. And if you don't know what pedantic means, is annoying as hell- Yeah... to find out exactly how it works, which I did three other occasions.
44:08
So now I get here to Vegas. I go to Caesars Rewards desk. 20 seconds. And guess what? I'm getting the rigmarole. It has now taken me five hours to get the flight credit.
44:18
Finally, a guy, a host at Harrah's- So your advice is? Your advice is be very careful with these offers, and make sure that they are really going to come through with you.
44:28
And get names and numbers and who told you, and get them to text you and email, because they're big corporations. Thank- They don't care... thank you, Toddy. Appreciate it. Story next with Money Moves with JVT. Enjoy.
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