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Jun 12, 2025
Best of A Numbers Game | June 12, 2025
Best of A Numbers Game | June 12, 2025
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[electronic music] The numbers told the story, they always do. You're one of those idiots who believe in analytics. This is a Numbers Game with Gil Alexander on VSiN. Good Thursday morning to you.
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It is a Numbers Game at VSiN, the sports betting network, vsin.com, Game Plus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV, and of course Sirius XM channel 158. It's Gil Alexander. This is Kelly Bidlin, everybody. It's the Numbers Game.
0:24
How you doing, man? Doing great. How about you? I'm good. You have, uh, any JJ Spaun by any chance? Nah. [laughs] Nah. That's early. Nah. It's early. It's early. It's early.
0:33
I was trying to tell Dave Ross though, there could be more surprising guys at the top. JJ Spaun ain't no joke. No, he ain't, he, he ain't no joke. True. He used to let, he used to let the mic smoke. True.
0:43
Um, here's the thing about JJ Spaun today, uh, it, this year, by the way, just to give you an update, JJ Spaun four under currently at the United States Open at Oakmont, uh, in Oakmont, Pennsylvania.
0:55
A one-stroke lead over your boy, Gary Woodland. W- Do you have any Gary Woodland? Nope, which I would have. Eh, I don't wanna say extreme FOMO 'cause I didn't really, I didn't really get close to Gary this week. Okay.
1:06
A two-stroke lead over some names. Ober, which I know you do have. That's right. Ludvig Ober. Rory McIlroy also two under. Ro- Rory coming for them receipts this week, Gil. Yeah, he's like, uh- Two bad weeks- Yeah...
1:16
everybody been talking crap. I've, I've heard- I'm coming... I've heard everybody talking about me. [laughs] Watch this. Uh, Si Woo Kim also two back. A whole bunch of guys two back. Uh, but, uh, John Michael Spaun.
1:26
Why is he JJ, by the way? His name's John Michael. Oh, no idea. Uh- Uh, Si Woo is the one at the, uh, in the top of the leaderboard right now that, or in that fr- first page of the leaderboard. That would be the FOMO.
1:36
'Cause I got- Yes... very close to betting him. I, not really outright, but top 20s, top 10s, and stayed away. JJ Spaun this year on tour, uh, best results, T3 at the Sony Open in Hawaii to start the year.
1:49
Uh, tied for second at the Cognizant Classic in, uh, February, at the end of February. Then of course most famously lost in a playoff to Rory, right? Mm-hmm. At the Players Championship. Yep.
2:01
Um, that was his best result, and then since then he's kind of, I gue- I g- he did finish T6 at the Charles Schwab, but that's his only notable result since the Players Championship.
2:10
Missed the cut last week at the Memorial. Read into that whatever you want to. But that's, you know, the, the best he's ever done at a major, T23 at a Masters. So here he is again, very early.
2:21
Uh, d- Dave was also upset [laughs] that the, we, we have 11 golfers under par. He was very angry about this. I, I kind of just made up a number. Yeah. Is that what it is though? No.
2:29
I think it is, like- It's, it's, uh, yeah... something close to that. It's thir- 13 under par, yeah. He, yeah, he, he's saying this is the Oakmont we, uh, this is not the Oakmont we were promised.
2:37
I said, "Dave, let's give it more than an hour or two, okay? Let's see how the w- afternoon conditions play out."
2:42
But there are a lot of big names, as you usually see at a US Open, that are not doing well, including one I bet on, Shane Lowry, three over par, uh, through seven holes, so he's struggling mightily out there.
2:53
Bryson's three back. Bryson's lurking. Yeah, he's three back. I'm talking three over par for Shane Lowry. Oh, yeah. Hideki's three over par. Yep. Um, Cameron Smith two over. Akshay Bhatia two over.
3:04
Matt Fitzpatrick two over. Xander Schauffele two over. Keegan Bradley two over. So there are plenty of good golfers out there struggling. Scheffler yet to tee off.
3:12
Scheffler yet to tee off, and I think, uh, good note by the, uh, by the by-the-books guys, uh, check prices right now if you're interested in, in Scheffler.
3:20
He's about three to one, a little over three to one, if they can get right now, if they want. A slightly favor- slightly more favorable price than you would've gotten in pre-flop- Yep...
3:27
with the, uh, with the start by Spaun and some others. Um, to the NBA. Well, first of all, on the show today, by the way, usually Thursdays are Zach and Crack. Uh, no Zach today.
3:35
Zach is on assignment, as we like to say here on the show. But Crack will be here.
3:39
[laughs] Crack will be here a segment earlier, because we're gonna get him out a segment earlier, because we're gonna talk to Stormy and JBT live from Omaha at the College World Series today.
3:48
The, uh, co-host of Money Moves, Money Moves. Stormy and JBT later on the show, but, uh, Crack before that, and, uh, a little segment of Are We Sure coming up as well. Estamos seguros. That's right. As well.
3:58
Look forward to that. NBA last night, oh, boy, oh, boy. Well, well, well. Look at that In- look at that Indiana Pacer squad. Up two to one now in the best of seven NBA finals.
4:10
They beat the, uh, the Oklahoma City Thunder yesterday, and did so, uh, while obviously covering the spread. They were five-and-a-half-point dogs, uh, pre-flop. They win it outright, um, by the score, what was it?
4:23
116 to 107. 107. Final score on this one. Uh, it goes under, by the way, VSiN Challenge.
4:29
Fezzik gets another win, so it's a, it's a, it's a two-man race, Fezzik and Zach Cohen at the top of the VSiN Killer Sports Challenge. I've s- I've still, I haven't, I, it's not that I've forgotten.
4:39
I have still yet to make a bet in r- uh, in the finals. A few people have yet to make a b- I think a few people are just like, "I'm, I'm done." I ac- I think I played game one, so I might've bet- Yeah...
4:47
I'm already down one, if that's the case. It's Fezzik in first. It's, uh, it's Zach Cohen in second. First prize, 3,000. Second prize, $500. And, uh, I'm in third, and only two people get money, so there you go.
4:59
[laughs] I cannot get to first or second. Um, it is a two-man race. Kazerian could get to second. Those are, we're the only four that are still alive here.
5:07
He could get to second if he starts making plays, but he could also, uh, finish third or fourth. I could finish only third or fourth. So Fezzik with the edge over Zach, and remember, there's a tiebreaker involved.
5:17
The tiebreaker is who did you pick as the NBA champion? I don't know if either took the Indiana Pacers or not, but- I started off so hot, Gil. So hot. Yeah, I, uh- Yeah... I start, this is the thing.
5:28
This, and I said this to Steve yesterday. I'm like, "Here's the difference between me and you. I have the under in game two. Um, 130 points are scored in the second half, so I lose. It gets to 230.
5:38
You last night have the under. There's, like, 120-some points- [laughs]... scored in the first half, and you luck box your way into a win." Hey. That's the story with that kid.
5:46
Uh, good for him, though, so I hope he, he and Zach, uh, battle it out to the end. It's, uh, Fezzik has one more pick, and Zach has two more. But as for the game last night, um, this is getting real, real quick.
5:58
Oh, it's real. Real quick. It's real. Um- The Indiana Pacers, and this, it was a topsy-turvy game, and we could go through all the, uh, the rollercoaster.
6:06
By the way, if y- if you are not watching the NBA playoffs, I know there's a lot of people who, who are making themselves feel good about missing some of the NBA playoffs by saying, "Oh, it's been terrible."
6:13
No, it hasn't. It's been awesome. Mm-hmm. Um, and this game last night, 15 to f- uh, it was, excuse me, a 16 to seven, s- pardon me, 15 to six run for OKC to start the game.
6:23
Indiana cut it to two at 22 to 20, but then OKC surged to a 10 to four run at the end of the first quarter, 32-24. Uh, later in the second quarter, there was a 15 to four run by the Pacers to start the quarter.
6:34
They took the lead by three. Um, OKC caught them, then they scored. Pacers did seven unanswered late in the second quarter to go up 49-42. It was part of a 25 to 10 run. But OKC caught them at 51.
6:48
Little Pacers run at the end of the half, 64-60 Indiana at halftime. Bench scoring at that point, 30 to 11. The Thunder would score the first eight of the second half to go up four.
6:59
Pacers would score six to retake the lead. Then Haliburton came alive. Pacers took the lead again, 79-76. And then OKC with a 13 to five run to end the quarter to take a five-point lead into the fourth.
7:12
And I just wanna bookmark it there because to me, this game, and then the stats, you know, the final stats of this game are that the Indiana bench, uh, we'll get to that. W- Williams for, in defeat for the OKC.
7:25
Williams 26, SGA 24, Holmgren 20 and 10 for Indiana. Um, just a, just an amazing performance by, by so many. But I wanna seize on the bench, and specifically TJ McConnell.
7:40
Uh, Indiana's bench outscored OKC's bench 49 to 18 in this game. And it was the story of the game, but McConnell... By the way, Mathurin led the Pacers with 27.
7:50
Haliburton, 22, nine, and 11, a rebound shy of a triple-double. Thank God. So again, for those like Perk who said he can't do things in this series, well, there's your answer. Siakam 21.
8:02
Of those 49 points that Indiana scored off the bench, 10 of them were from TJ McConnell. TJ McConnell ended up with a scoring line of 10 points, five assists, and five steals in 15 minutes.
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He's the first NBA player since the 1973, '74 finals to put up those numbers. Uh, he's now averaging 10 points, five assists, 2.7 steals during these finals in just over 60 minutes per game.
8:24
But he made, he had five steals, and I just wanna highlight three of them because if you don't, you don't see this in a box score.
8:31
But last night, uh, there was three, three of his five steals were off inbounds passes after Indiana Pacers baskets. Uh, the first one, Siakam had a layup that cut it to 32 to 26. This is in the second quarter.
8:43
Mc- McConnell steals it from Cason Wallace, uh, on an inbounds pass. It was intent- excuse me, the f- yeah, it was intended for Holmgren. He immediately dishes it to Siakam, McConnell does, who misses a three.
8:54
McConnell gets the offensive board. He feeds Mathurin for a four-footer to cut it to four. Another time, Nesmith scores to make it 34-32 right after that.
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McConnell, faking like he's running down court, hits the brakes as Wallace inbounds, steals it again, throws it off of Wallace to maintain possession.
9:10
And then the biggest play of the game, and I would argue it, it is hard to distill any series into one game, let alone one play.
9:18
But if Indiana goes on to win this series, and I would argue once again, it would be the greatest, most improbable run of any postseason in any North American team sport we've ever seen based on the four games where they've won with 2% win probability on average in those four games, one in each of these series.
9:35
But if they do, and you could distill it to anything beyond those amazing late game plays by, by Haliburton, it's 95-91 OKC last night.
9:45
And you sort of, this is the fourth quarter, you sort of feel like, "Wow, the Pacers put up a great effort tonight, but I don't know if they're gonna get home.
9:53
And if they lose this game, I don't know if they have any chance of winning this series." And Nembhard hits a 15-footer to cut it to 95-93. This is with 8:39 left in the game. Caruso tries to get it into SGA.
10:05
This is again on the inbounds pass right after that.
10:08
I don't know if McConnell's invisible to him or whatever, but McConnell with his, you know, little self compared to the other players jumps as high as he can, steals the ball, puts it right up, bank shot, snatches it, and it's 95-95.
10:19
And the rest of the way, the rest of the way, the Pacers would outscore the Thunder 21 to 12, and they win it once again by the final of, uh, what was that? 106 to- 116 to 107. Uh, 116 to, uh, 116 to 107. Pardon me.
10:35
So that's, I mean, that to me, McConnell was a, that will always be rem- for me, the TJ McConnell game. I'm, I, I didn't, I didn't wanna interrupt at all, Gil, 'cause I completely agree with you.
10:44
I mean, that was, it, and it was, it started early. First quarter was OKC. Second quarter, McConnell and Math- Mathurin check in.
10:51
Those two took over right away, and we haven't w- there's not many games that we've seen this OKC... I mean, look, it is the classic story if you wanna go to this, this narrative, right?
11:00
The classic story of the bench and the role players show up bigger at home, right? And it's OKC. The role, role players in the bench gave them absolutely nothing last night. Indiana bench outscores OKC 49 to 18.
11:12
But it was so much of McConnell and the magic beans that he always brings to these basketball games- Magic beans...
11:19
that he shows up, and those steals on the inbounds passes, just, it just motion, uh, you know, motion stuff they'd get, get these NBA players are so used to doing and turning the ball over because McCon- McConnell just gives him a bit of a head fake.
11:32
And it was him and Mathurin were the differences in this game. Haliburton looked much more comfortable at home. Uh, this is a series, man.
11:39
Pacers installed once again as six-point favorites in game f- six, six-point dogs in game four. I'll play them again just like I did last night and in the contest.
11:49
I'm out of bullets in the contest, but I'll play them again. I'll bet them. Give me the points.
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12:21
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12:26
Jay Sullivan, our old buddy Jay Sullivan, uh, listening to us, says, "Enjoying you and Kelly from the Hard Day's Night Hotel in Liverpool." Wow, very flattered that you, uh, listened to us from there, Jay. Appreciate it.
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Hope you're having a good time. Martel J: "What's T- [laughs] what's Team Semite going to do with all of Vsin and Omaha? Maybe a latke and matzo ball soup segment tomorrow?"
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I don't know, they didn't really leave us anything behind, so we'll see what, you know, we'll just pay for it ourselves. Sure.
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Uh, let's see, Jay Buckley: "10 days till back in Vegas for contest signups, circus shenanigans, and hopefully seeing you guys while we're out there. Can't wait." Jay, come by and say hello.
13:02
And Cspackler tweets in, "Yay, Crack." I just like typing that. Without further ado, unscripted with the Crack Man, Bill Krackenberger.
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[upbeat music] Ah, there he is- Morning... in the flesh. Yes.
13:27
It's Bill Krackenberger, everybody. For those who are new to the show, iconic gambling figure here in Las Vegas, Nevada, with his Kangol. Oh. [laughs] How you doing? Good. What's going on?
13:37
Sorry I, uh, failed to tell you that I was out last week. Oh, no, it's okay. I came down and, uh, just, you know, they don't want, no one else wants me on except for you, so they're, everyone's,
13:45
uh, they just said, "No, Bill, you can't come on." So I just walked out- [laughs]... and went home, went home. No, you didn't come down here, did you? No. No, Kelly got you. Kelly got me the day before. I apologize.
13:52
Usually I remember. Yeah. Um, we were just talking off-air, so this is a week where a couple musical icons have passed away. Yeah. Both at the age of 82. Hmm.
14:01
Sly Stone a few days ago, um, who I just, I, I consider Sly and the Family Stone their own musical genre themselves. I don't think they sounded like anybody else. And then Brian Wilson passes away.
14:16
Brian Wilson of the, of the Beach Boys passes away, uh, at the age of 82, who you loved. And Brian Wilson, you know, responsible for hits like Surfin' USA, um, I Get Around, obviously big hits like that.
14:30
Uh, Wouldn't It Be Nice, I mean, Good Vibrations, it goes on and on, all those iconic Beach Boys, uh, sounds.
14:36
And while the two of those guys were nothing alike musically, they were similar in the fact that n- nothing sounded like the Beach Boys either. Yeah. They were their own thing. I, I'm a music guy in general. Yeah.
14:46
Just I love music. So, um, and Sly and the Family Stone, oh my God, Sly was, uh, uh, Everyday People- Yeah... that's all I could tell you.
14:53
Like, you know, there was a version of, Kermit the Frog did a version with somebody. [laughs] And it was so good, though. Yeah. Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton and Kermit, the Muppets was a big show back- Mm-hmm...
15:02
you know, years ago. And, uh, they, they, they did a, a version.
15:06
But Brian, it's funny, I was just talking to a, I have a buddy of mine that's on Twitter, um, Margin Call, and, and, and we were just talking a couple weeks ago about Brian. Didn't know he was gonna die. Yeah.
15:15
Just talking about the musical genius of Brian Wilson. So to see, it's so sudden, and it didn't come out... Listen, the guy's 82. W- uh, you know, you wanna say, "Oh my God, where, where do I sign up to live to 82?"
15:27
But then when you get to that age- Of course... you, you, you know, it's, it's, comes as a shock and sudden, and you don't want it to happen anyway.
15:33
But, um, you know, he, he, uh, my buddy said he, he was a mu- he was a musician's kind of musician like Mark Knopfler or someone that's, you know, uh, in the industry, there's certain bands that guys were, like, so, uh, in the beginning of their careers as kids, I'm not talking about, you know, as, as 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, you just knew they were gonna make it in the music industry.
15:57
Yeah. And, um, Brian was one of them. If you ask any musician, uh, I- if you isolate all the instruments, it doesn't make sense until they come together, and that's what the Beach Boys did.
16:07
Even though I wasn't, I didn't have the Beach Boys on play, but I would listen to one of the songs if it was on. Yeah. You know? I was not necessarily a Beach Boys fan either.
16:14
In fact, I was, I was not a fan, but, like, I appreciate any, any musical artist that is s- their sound is so different. Yeah. Like, 'cause most folks, there's some derivative nature to it, right?
16:25
It's a copycat to some degree. Yeah. But you can't really detect it in either Sly and the Family Stone or the Beach Boys music. It's amazing. Yeah.
16:33
There's a documentary called Promised Road that was out, um, uh, it's been out for a lo- a while, but uh, just, just to give you an idea, and I'm sure they'll come out with something now on his life, but- Yeah...
16:42
um, yeah, you know, um, as we get older, we go to more, uh, funerals than weddings. And s- uh, it's so sad. And Sly, uh, has a documen- had a documentary, I think Questlove had a documentary about Sly- Oh, wow...
16:52
so I wanna see that as well. Yeah. Or at least he was part of the documentary. I wanna see that. All right, now can we get into some of these idiots that I'm mad about? Yes. Okay. Golf Channel betting analyst. Oh, boy.
17:02
Do you know what this idiot said? Hmm. "Sometimes in golf, just like roulette, the trend is your friend." Oh, boy. So in other words, you're telling me because 10 blacks in a row came out- That's it...
17:13
or 10 reds in a row came out, the trend is your friend. This is the people that we ha- by the way, he is their gambling expert. He's not just an analyst. He's their gambling expert- Give him a name... go-to guy.
17:24
No, I'm not gonna bury him. Okay. You know, I'm, I'm not, I'm not really, I, I really don't do that. I don't really put throw people under the bus. Yeah. People know who he is.
17:31
Um, I, I, I don't think it's a nice look when you go after individuals and people. Do you know what I appreciate about the Tennis Channel when they delve into gambling? No.
17:39
That they don't try to deep dive it, that they, you know, Brett Ha- Ah... Brett Haber is their, is their lead- Okay...
17:46
uh, lead play-by-play guy, and Brett is smart enough to know a money line conversion to a percentage, and he leaves it at that.
17:55
And I think for the Tennis Channel audience, that's a beautiful thing to have that much knowledge.
17:59
"Oh, minus 370 after this person wins the first set means that she or he is a blank percentage po- uh, probability to win the rest of the match." And they just sort of leave it at that. Right.
18:09
They don't really, e- even if they have, like, a sponsor like a FanDuel or whomever. Sure. But the Golf Channel tries to go a little deeper, huh? It's not only that.
18:17
There's many different, you know, it just so happens that that's the, the, the latest one that I've seen. Someone sent it to me. I didn't see it actually, but they sent it to me.
18:24
I was like, wow, I gotta listen to it again to hear if I, if I heard right. Um, speaking of which, you know, some people have sent me some things.
18:32
Last night, I heard it, last night someone sent me something, and it was, excuse me for my, uh, ADD. That's all right. It was something on, like, a, a video on, like, learning. Uh, here it is.
18:42
I play this daily roulette strategy daily. So I watched the video, and it was a guy playing-- By the way, 73,000 views. A guy playing what, like, the bubble craps and then the digital roulette. Mm-hmm.
18:53
This, this is ac- actually there's a wheel. You sit at the wheel, and it's like closet gambling. No one knows what you're doing. You have your own machine, you have your own... You can put the numbers.
19:01
He's showing people a system, how you can play the streets. The street means, like, the three-number streets and, um, I think you get 11 to one on a street, which is, uh, obviously, it's terrible odds.
19:11
Roulette's terrible. It's 5.26 if you're betting straight up, worse on other ar- other bets.
19:16
But the instructional, let's call them instructional 'cause that's what they wanna be called, but they're terrible instructional videos that are out there on different gambling things on YouTube.
19:27
And, and of course there's little shorts on, on their Instagram and TikTok and stuff. But they're so bad. 73,000 people, and you know what? There's 100 and f- 164 responses, and guess what? They're all good.
19:43
"Ooh, thank you, I love this double up system." Mm. Yeah. So the guy was doubling up if he lost those streets, tripling up. I, I, I just can't believe people would say, "Oh, I..." 'Cause they just don't know.
19:53
But you, you seized- And we're too close to the sun, like you said...
19:55
you seized on the, on the most important part which is you expect, 'cause we're too close to the sun, we would expect for someone to be in the comments being like, "Ah, this is ridiculous." Nobody. But nobody is. Nobody.
20:05
It's like a, an army of, of, "Wow, that's awesome." There, there was- Yeah... a slot channel someone sent me.
20:11
And by the way, I, I guess people love to watch high limit slots, and I guess the thrill of it is someone actually betting. So a guy was betting $900 a spin. I wa- I watched him yesterday.
20:21
$900 a spin, and, and he's a supposedly a really nice guy, and I'm not throwing him under the bus 'cause supposedly he's got, by the way, makes millions and millions of dollars.
20:30
And it's not Vegas Matt, by the way, who I, who I'm, who I like. Um, uh, but this guy is betting $900 a spin, and you're watching him, and he hit for 150,000. And everyone at home's like, "Wow, oh my God, this is all..."
20:44
Like, I, I, it, I guess the reason they, that people don't realize is that he gets paid to do that. Mm-hmm.
20:52
And not only that, he gets walk-in money, he gets front money, back cash money, and he may even get an appearance fee.
20:57
I hear some of these slot guys, and good for them, that's fine, but I like someone to be transparent, like Vegas Matt, um, that come out and said, "I lost 360,000 playing last year.
21:09
So I, I did lose to show you guys these videos." But he may make mill- I'm, I'm sure he makes millions, you know, with his, his, uh, merchandise, his walk-in money, his deals, and you know what I mean?
21:19
That little point you made there, though, when I first started a podcast, when Betting Dorks started- Right...
21:23
about, well, even before Betting Dorks, when I was just decided I'm gonna do a sports betting podcast, the whole innovation was like, "And I'm gonna tell people when I lose." Oh.
21:31
Like what a mind-blowing thing it was at that time. Yeah. That's not gonna sell. Right? I mean, you know- Yeah... but imagine, like that- Right... that's 'cause that's what the industry is, right? Sure.
21:39
Listen, all these sportsbooks, like the same game parlays. There is something about the wiring of the human brain- Yeah... that bet little to win massive amounts of money. If you just tell those stories- Yeah...
21:50
people become mesmerized. Yes. Right? Yes. And they know this. Yes. And they know and that's not the way to be a long-term winner- Sure... obviously. Sure. But that's, that's the hook.
21:58
You know, I, I've so, I've actually resorted to giving in a little bit. By the way, the last one, someone, a- again, someone sent me some one thing. It was a, a girl scratching $50 lottery tickets.
22:08
She bought $1,000 in lottery tickets- That's what I like... and she lost, she got back 850, and she got a million views. Just scratching lo- $50 lottery tickets. I mean, it's sick.
22:16
But I've, I've come to the re- to the conclusion of, you know what? You're all gonna bet your parlays anyway. Yeah.
22:21
I have no problem with someone betting $100 each game straight and betting a $10 five-teamer, have some fun with that. But the $100, you know, each, each individual bet of that parlay means more than anything.
22:32
I would want, rather not you have not, you know, not, don't bet the parlay, but I know they're gonna do it anyway. Bill Krackomberger, @BillKrackman with a K on Twitter.
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23:55
Also have the Tigers most wins in June going, and Leon Draisaitl to win Conn Smythe. But the Oilers, gotta get off the schneid.
24:01
Well, uh, they do have one win, so it's not off the proverbial schneid, but you get what I mean. They're down two to one to the Panthers. Oilers,
24:09
not quite a must-win, but kinda must-win, if you know what I mean, in game four tonight in Florida. Kelly is on the Thunder money line, game four. I suppose we could both win then by that outcome.
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So he's on the Thunder money line, game four. And again, um, if you were thinking about betting the Pacers on the series price-
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25:27
Uh, we got tweets at Beating the Book. This is from, uh, let's see, Rich PSM, "Kelly, you're missing the huge ingredient the Thunder forgot to add. Even Indiana has a veteran with rings to make key plays under pressure.
25:38
Robert Horry, Chauncey Billups. That's why they'll, that's why they'll lose this." Okay. Um, I assume he means Pascal Siakam in terms of that.
25:49
Uh, Montreal Max, "I forgot during the first week of the French to compliment Gil and his flawless pronunciation of all tennis players', uh, names weekly. Well done and not easy." And, uh, well, thank you for that.
25:59
I appreciate it. Steve the Proxy, "RIP Ananda Lewis." Yes, "A beautiful spirit. So sad to see her gone way too soon.
26:05
Fun fact, she won a beauty pageant as a child with a self-choreographed dance to Ebony and Ivory [laughs] by Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney." Yeah, like I said, um, what a beautiful soul and spirit.
26:15
A lot of us were really moved by that yesterday. Um, oh yes, and Mike Rouse, I gotta bring this up right now. "Are you planning to discuss the golf betting lawsuit with Crack, the lawsuit you discussed on Monday?"
26:25
Yes, Crack. Okay. Gotta get you chi- uh, I, I'm gonna need you to chime in on this. So a dude in Iowa- Right... $14.2 million he's suing DraftKings for.
26:35
He, uh, after the third round of the, of the Pebble Pro-Am, Pebble Beach Pro-Am last year- Mm-hmm... 2024, after the third round, he saw the weather forecast and he said, "Oh, they might not play this.
26:47
So I'm gonna put in," this is him talking now, this is me acting like he's talking. Sure. Is he goes ahead and puts in parlays where you could do exact positions on the leaderboards.
26:56
So what he did, with the possibility of them scuttling the entire final round, fourth and final round, he ends up putting in parlays on everybody's finishing position, one through 20, I believe it was. Right.
27:07
Anyway, they scuttle the fourth round, as it turns out. They call the tournament after three rounds, and he, quote-unquote, "makes" $14.2 million. Now he's suing DraftKings. DraftKings is like, "We're not paying you."
27:20
I said on Monday, I'm like, well, at first I was on the sportsbook side, then I kinda see what he's saying. I'm not really sure. You?
27:27
If it's in the rules that they must play 72 holes, then of course DraftKings has, has, has their case and their... It's over. I don't think that was in the rules. Okay. I don't think it said 72. Okay.
27:38
So, uh, so, so if it didn't say they have to complete four rounds of golf, if it didn't say that, um, you know, he, he maybe got a little greedy. He could have not won 14 million. [laughs] I was gonna say.
27:47
I mean, he could have won- Yes... you know, a couple hundred thousand and, and, and- Yeah... they may have just said, "Give him his money so we don't have to get the bad press."
27:53
But instead he went the greedy route, 14 million, and, uh, you know, you know me. I'm on the side of the players 99.9% of the time.
28:01
So it matters the wording of this, um, I don't see him getting a grocery dollar, to be honest. You don't see him getting a grocery dollar from it? No. No. He may get his, uh, 300 bucks back.
28:11
Uh, the, the DraftKings, let's see, the DraftKings rule was, let's see, mm, mm-mm, mm-mm, unilaterally voided all five of his bets refunded, citing rules on futures bets which state they are canceled if they are placed after the last shot- Well, that's it...
28:26
of what is later deemed to be the final round of the tournament. How can that even be a case then? How can they even, why even get- Yeah... listen, and you know me, I'm, I'm, uh, like I said, 99.9.
28:35
Why even, why is this even a case then?
28:37
If that's the rules and the stated rules, and you took a shot at them without reading the rules, which most people do anyway, I don't even read all the rules on cer- certain things, so, uh, there's so many rules, you'd ta- you'd be here till, you know, the end of time.
28:49
So i- it shouldn't even be a case. What they are claiming is that there are other r- there's other language that then counters that one, that makes it a little more vague.
29:00
So it, it, that's where it becomes a bit of a word salad. There's, what they're saying is they're applying rules however they feel like it, given the circumstance. So in this case, they apply that language. Yeah. Yeah.
29:10
That's their claim. No, well, um- You're, you're probably right, though. They probably don't see a dollar. It, it, trust me, I, I, I, uh, like I said, uh, this, this, in this case, I have to side with the sport.
29:19
You're betting on an event after it's over. You're, you're betting- Oh, he, oh, he clearly- You're betting an event after the event's over... he clearly knew what he was doing and was taking a shot. Yeah.
29:28
I mean- Without a doubt... but I'll tell you again, I'm telling you, Gil, if he would've won 100 grand- They'd have given it to him... to avoid the bad press, they would've gave him the money. Yeah.
29:35
Now, j- just because I know what happens. You got guys like Vegas Paulie C put a video out, a tweet. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. He doesn't know what 11 to 10 means.
29:43
Like, but all he does is put out, "DraftKings owes them money," 'cause it's a, you know, it, it's the buzz. Uh, and, and what's that, what's that? There's a show, TMZ.
29:51
It's the TMZ of, uh, you know, whatever m- social media it is, so it just makes DraftKings look bad, and I'm, you know, like I said, I, I, I, I don't really like to, like to go after- Oh... unless I know I'm 100% right.
30:03
You know what the lawyer is claiming here? What?
30:05
They're claiming, I don't know if this, I don't know if he's just pulling this out of his you know what, but he says the rules that DraftKings had in place at the time of the tournament did not allow them to void the bets.
30:13
They changed the rules after the tournament. Well, that's different then. There, there could be some- Let's see... settlement here. Maybe. And, uh, trust me, I'm not allowed to bet at, at DraftKings.
30:21
So I'm not allowed to bet o- on their app. I, I say I'm not allowed. I'm, I'm limited to a gro- couple grocery dollars. At the counter, they're very good to me. They take thousand dollar bets, so- Ooh...
30:30
they're very good to me. Until that time, I'm not gonna, you know, look, look for reasons to go after them or, or anyone else, you know? Thank you.
30:35
Thank you, Mike Rouse, for reminding me to bring that up with, uh, Crack, though. I intended to do that on Monday. Okay, and then there's something else that, uh, that annoy, that's annoying you.
30:44
Oh, no, they, th- this, I mentioned on my, on my podcast, uh, the Hall of Excellence at Fontainebleau, they have this thing, a Tom Brady in collaboration with Jim Gray. I'm not a Jim Gray fan to begin with, so.
30:54
The Pete Rose thing? Yeah. No, e- even more. He, he did, he did a couple things in life that I wasn't a fan, just to get himself some press. Um-
31:01
So they have this fountain, this, this, at Fontainebleau, it's a hall of excellence. It's all different memorabilia from the different athletes.
31:08
Tiger Woods' first ball from the first Masters he won, and, like, all different type of things like that. Uh, Tom Brady's, a lot of his memorabilia.
31:17
And, uh, the- there's, there's some great, by the way, some great things there. Air Jordan's first pair of Air Jordans that, that he ever had, that came out with.
31:25
The bat used by Jackie Robinson to break the color barrier. There's some great things o- at, at this- Did you say first Air Jordans that he ever wore? Is that what you said?
31:32
Uh, if, Michael, Michael Jordan's first pair of Air Jordans in 1984. Okay. Yeah. Oh, wow. And, and also his, the first, uh, NBA championship shoes that were wore by Michael Jordan. Jackie Robinson's first bat?
31:44
Jackie Robinson's first bat. Some really cool things. Wow. Super Bowl rings, Muhammad Ali's gloves he wore against, uh, his, uh, great fight against Chuvalo. There's a, some great things here.
31:53
My thing is, why are you charging 35 bucks to get in? I knew that was, I knew this was gonna be the end of it. And, and $20 for kids to get in. Yeah. I, you, do you know the foot traffic some...
32:02
By the way, I'm only mentioning one or, uh, like five things. There's 150 items here. But I just think about, you know, us walking through Hard Rock and all the stuff we see for free, memorabilia. Yes.
32:11
And it's good- All of that Rock & Roll stuff... walk-in traffic. Yes. You know? You get walk-in traffic and people come in, and then now what do they do? They come in for free to see the thing. "Let's gamble here.
32:20
Let's go to, let's go to Mother Wolf and spend 500." Exactly, yeah. "Let's gamble a little bit." This is just, I, I, I c- it's, I can't take the gouging.
32:27
And that, listen, it's too strong of a word, gouging, for this situation. I don't mean to say it. But why not just have the foot traffic come into your casino? You're a failed casino. You're doing very...
32:37
The guy that runs Fontainebleau, Mark, uh, you know, he, he's into marketing and stuff, he doesn't even like gamblers.
32:43
One thing about Derek Stevens, even, I'll say, I said it yesterday, even Steve Wynn, they were gamblers, so they love gamblers. Derek Stevens loves gamblers because he gambles. He gets it.
32:53
He knows the pulse of the industry.
32:55
So, uh, but these c- casinos with guys with college degrees that never gambled before and don't know the pulse of the industry, I use that word a lot, um, it, it, that's, it's a shame that...
33:05
Hey, listen, I understand this is a great thing to do if you're coming from out of town, you wanna... I, I, I'll stick by what I said.
33:11
You can't be charging $20 to get in, 30, $35, 20 for kids to get in, just to see some memorabilia where, you know, if, it's not like you're going to the, the, the Boxing Hall of Fame where you're gonna pay to get in, or the, even the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
33:22
100% agree. You know what I mean? It's, it's Vegas. It just, it makes great foot traffic. Why charge people? That, that was part of the Har- the Hard Rock's charm- That's it... was all of that memorabilia. That's it.
33:30
Yeah. That's it. Free for your eyes to see. Yep. Bill, thank you. Appreciate it. All right. I'm out of here. Cragman, Bill Krackenberg, everybody. @BillKrackman with a K on Twitter. Wisecrack is the name of this podcast.
33:42
Stormy and JBT live from Omaha, the College World Series, next.
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[upbeat music] A numbers game on VSiN, the sports betting network. Live from Circuit Numbers game, Gil Alexander.
34:02
Kelly Billin alongside as well. Hey, real quick, um, update to the US Open leaderboard. Uh, it started out real fast for, for a bunch of golfers in the first round of the US Open at Oakmont in Oakmont, Pennsylvania.
34:15
It has gotten pretty stagnant since, but JJ Spaun has not given any strokes back. Four under through 15, he is the leader by two shots over Si Woo Kim, Gary Woodland, and Thomas Detry.
34:26
A three-stroke lead over some bigger names like Ludvig Aberg and Rory McIlroy. That's where it stands right now.
34:31
JJ Spaun, who has pretty much led coast to coast thus far, uh, the first round of the United States Open from Oakmont.
34:39
So obviously, uh, we'll have, uh, full coverage and, uh, live betting notes from the tournament all day long right here at VSiN. Uh, in the meantime, most of the network is having themselves a ball.
34:49
They're in Omaha, Nebraska, for the College World Series. Um, what a scene down there. This is at, uh, Rocco's Pizza and Cantina in Omaha. Check it out. Look at the old Jello Shot Challenge. Look at that.
35:03
Um, we of course, VSiN hosts, have our own odds associated with that. I believe that Derek Stevens himself, the owner of Circa, is still the short shot to win it.
35:11
And there is the two co-hosts of Money Moves, which follows, follows us rather, each and every day here on the network. Stormy Bonatony and JBT live from Rocco's. How you guys doing? Good.
35:22
It's been a fun start already, and we've already seen the first Jello Shots, by the way, be purchased at the counter. Coastal Carolina with an early- Yep... [laughs] lead, JBT. Uh, yeah, so I, I feel great, Gil.
35:32
I feel plucky and spry and ready to go, and in no way, shape, or form do I already feel the effects of a first night out here in Omaha. No, that doesn't sound suspicious at all.
35:41
Um, Derek Stevens plus 350 in the VSiN Jello Shot Challenge. The field now at 4/1 is in second. Uh, JBT has, uh, been steamed to plus 550. Stormy still, uh, feisty at plus 825. All right. Good luck to you guys on that.
35:55
Hey, I, I like that I got a little bit of an adjustment there. Yeah. Down from the 12 to one. Yep. I'm getting played, guys. I'm getting played. That's exciting [laughs].
36:02
Uh, a little, little inside baseball though, um, if you want to go and get down on some inside information, um, if Mitch Moss is gonna do what he did last night- [laughs]... I'd run out to bet Mitch Moss right now.
36:12
Oh, wow, okay. That is some inside information.
36:15
[laughs] Hey, what about, so let's just talk about the games themselves for a second, 'cause I wanna get your thoughts, uh, JBT, you on the NBA, Stormy, obviously you on game four of the Stanley Cup Final.
36:23
But about the College World Series, do you have any bets for the two games today, either of you? I mean, I don't have anything individually.
36:31
I do have an LSU to win it all ticket at 6/1, so we're going to be purchasing Jello Shots, 'cause we are a very pro-LSU show. Um, she's got her loyalties, as do I.
36:41
So I'll be sitting there and sweating that out, and we'll have some action I think too, because we're gonna be sitting in there, and we could just cross the skywalk to go over to Iowa and get in on some of this stuff too.
36:48
So, uh, for the games that are gonna start tomorrow, maybe just for one while we're sitting there watching the late game, uh, Gil- Mm-hmm... but I'll be sweating out this LSU future.
36:55
Yeah, no first game action for me just yet, but with the way that the regils, regionals and super regionals played out with so many upsets, I do like just taking a shot on Murray State in some way, shape, or form.
37:07
Have a little fun. Don't let the Racers get hot. See if they can pull off a Fresno State in 2008, something like that.
37:12
And then Matt Grissom, who we're gonna have on the show coming up in just a little bit on Money Moves, in one of his write-ups about the College World Series, he recommended the angle of backing the loser of Arkansas, LSU, w- just getting like a little bit of a better number if you're somebody who's just jumping in on the College World Series odds, and I think that's something that I might take as an approach, too.
37:31
Right, 'cause one of those two SEC teams, if they are to get to the promised land- Yep... they will do it from the quote-unquote loser bracket, because obviously LSU and Arkansas- Yep... playing each other tomorrow.
37:40
Two games tonight are the, uh, two games in bracket one, Arizona, Coastal Carolina, uh, with Coastal a, uh, minus 230 Moneyline favorite in Louisville, Oregon State with the, uh, Oregon State Beavers, independent minus 160 favorites over, uh, Louisville here.
37:56
Um, by the way, just as, before we move away from the College World Series, for those who are like, "Okay, I wanna just bet on this based on crowd support," what is you, what are you two guys' feelings on the most representative of these clubs at this point?
38:09
I mean, it's everything we're talking to, everybody we're talking to, we keep hearing LSU. Like, that's at least- Yeah... uh, everything that I have heard up to this point.
38:16
So, like, we're talking about, you brought this up, throwing tailgate skill for, like, for four games that they're not even playing in, things like that.
38:22
So I would say if you're just going on home field advantage, it sounds like the Tigers are gonna have a lot of support, just talking to people out here.
38:29
But I, I would also say, and coincidentally, Arkansas being the team that they're playing and the, the favorite to win it all right now, they've been apparently telling everybody, "Just wait for us to get out here."
38:38
So we'll see if that maybe changes the game a little bit, but I've been to the College World Series in the past, and to JBT's point, years that LSU's not even in it, they're tailgating and their fans are out here.
38:48
So now that their team is so good and has such a good chance to win it all once again, I, I feel like they're [laughs] gonna have- Yeah... the advantage here.
38:55
All right, is this a situation where, where you guys are broadcasting from Rocco's, where people are gonna be all, like, on top of you when you're doing your show today? Oh. Yes. Yes. I'm so excited.
39:03
So- Tomorrow more so than today. But yes. Yes, it, it, and this is, so Gil, you know, with the, you have the radio background, so when you would do remotes and you would go out, I am a man of the people.
39:11
I'm gonna be distracted tomorrow. [laughs] Like, when this thing starts popping, there's gonna be people... So for, to, for the layout, for our audience, right in front of us is, like, the Jello shot bar.
39:20
Like, behind the cameras and stuff, you can't see it. So people will be coming in in front of us and behind our wonderful crew to be buying the Jello shots. This thing will get a little bit more packed- Wow...
39:28
as time goes along. So yes, it will be very full. I am very excited, and I will probably get in trouble because I'll be talking to people as they come walking by. I'm very excited.
39:37
Stor- Stormy admire, is looking at you like, "Oh, great, that's, that sounds great, JBT. That should be really professional of you tomorrow." No, he's not kidding though. He- Yeah...
39:44
he's, he's been saying it even the whole time we're sitting here. He goes, "Oh, God, I'm gonna get distracted today." [laughs] "I'm gonna get distracted." So just I'm, I'm mentally preparing.
39:51
It's gonna be awesome though, and they've already been so hospitable.
39:54
The owner here, Kevin, has been so great welcoming us last night and kinda giving us the lay of the land of how this all works and when the Jello shots kick off and the story behind it all, and we'll get into a lot of that throughout the course of the next couple days.
40:05
All right. I don't wanna steal any of your, uh, steam before Money Moves, uh, which starts at the top of the hour. But l- let's get two minutes on hockey and two minutes on basketball.
40:12
Stormy, let's start with the Stanley Cup Final. Uh, game four tonight, Florida up 2-1 in the series. They're a minus 146 favorite.
40:20
In game number four, like the NBA, maybe not quite as dramatically, but game four up 2-1, I mean, this is so important, um, in a way that could, it's, really be the fulcrum game of the series.
40:32
How do you see this going tonight at sunrise? Well, and it's interesting.
40:37
I, I think that because of the way that the game three played out in sunrise and the dominant performance that Florida had and the agitation with which they brought, everybody is very much so counting out Edmonton altogether, and we had so much talk through two games.
40:51
Right. Is there any real differentiator between these two right now in the way that they're playing?
40:55
Not so much, and then you go to game three and it's a blowout and it's all Florida, and Florida has to win the rest of it.
41:00
I'm not sure I necessarily see it that way, and maybe I do have some bias built into that, that I thought Edmonton coming into the series was very much so capable of winning it, and I like them to win it.
41:10
But for me, Edmonton's gotta come out with desperation tonight so that they're not put in true desperation mode being down three games to none, to one, excuse me, uh, with Florida after this.
41:21
So today is a huge critical game. I know we hate saying must win this early in a series, but that very much so feels what it is to me today. Um, and I, I don't have a bet on the side.
41:31
I have props, and we'll get into 'em. I, I like Evan Bouchard over his shots on goal today. You can probably ladder those. He's somebody that's been cashing that significantly, and there are a few other angles.
41:40
But side, I don't have one picked today. I lean Edmonton. I, I lean over, even though everything about the ice tells me it should be an under. Yeah. Yet here we are.
41:48
Yeah, don't, don't give it all your bets, 'cause I want people to tune into to Money Moves here at the top. But the, uh, last thing here on this.
41:54
If Florida ends up winning this, I asked this of some of our hockey experts earlier in the week, if Florida ends up winning this, where do you rank them?
42:01
Better than the Tampa Bay Lightning team that won two years and got to three straight Stanley Cup Final teams, like this Florida Panthers team would be in that case?
42:10
I, I would say very similar, and maybe, yes, better because they had the build.
42:14
They had to lose game one and then, uh, lose, excuse me, that first Stanley Cup Final and then come back and win it back to back after that, versus Tampa that kind of petered out and lost that last one.
42:24
So maybe yes, maybe they would be better, and then they would have that Florida Sunshine State Supreme. All right, and before we go, JBT, um, my goodness, Pacers two, Thunder one.
42:35
Talk about a game four that means everything. I mean, obviously no one game means everything- Yep... but it sure, it sure feels like game four in Indiana tomorrow night has that feel to it. Pacers six-point dogs.
42:48
Are you surprised by that number? So I am and I'm not, right? We, we were talking about this last night here actually at Rocco's.
42:54
We were having drinks 'cause we were talking about what the opening nine was gonna be, and I was like, "It's probably gonna be six." And sure enough, it opens up six, and why?
43:00
Because Gil, as we've seen throughout this entire postseason, for whatever reason, if you lose a game, you get upgraded for the next game.
43:06
Now, if you're just playing these straight up losers, you're hitting it well over a 60% clip. Uh, in this round, the basic zigzag is 2-0, right? Uh, Oklahoma loses game one, they come back and cover game two.
43:16
Indiana loses game two, they come back, they cover game three, they win outright. So the market is really baking these, uh, these in.
43:21
But to your point, man, this is a team that is now four and four straight up with a negative 6.9 net rating on the road in this postseason. They have yet to cover a road game, now 0 and 8 against the spread.
43:31
Talk about the importance of needing to win this game if you're Oklahoma City.
43:34
I mean, dude, if you don't, you're gonna trust them that they're gonna be able to extend their life if they have to go back to Indiana one more time? It's insane.
43:41
And you and I agree, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, if Indiana pulls this off, if they win this, it's the greatest postseason run ever by any North American sports team that we can think of.
43:52
I think you can say that regardless of the result, especially when you factor in the clutch run that Tyrese Haliburton has been on. I think that this should be a run that should be remembered forever despite the result.
44:02
Stormy Bonatony, Jonathan Von Tobel, the, uh, co-hosts of, uh, Money Moves, which is here every single weekday right after a Numbers game, uh, at, of course, 9:00 AM Pacific, 12 noon Eastern. Behave yourselves, people.
44:14
Have a good time out there. Thanks, Gil. Live from the College World Series in Omaha. Rocco's having themselves a great time down there. Uh, should be a fun weekend.
44:23
Rocco's Pizza and Cantina in Omaha, where all the fun stuff happens. We've done all we can do. Uh, Stormy and JBT are in fact next from Omaha. Enjoy. From VSiN, the sports betting network. [upbeat rock music]
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