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Mar 17, 2026
Best Of A Numbers Game | March 17, 2026
Best Of A Numbers Game | March 17, 2026
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Awesome contest. It's great. An awesome, uh, setup that we're giving people. 50% deposit match. Yeah. Free DFS entry. That's nice. For sure. We get tweets beating the book.
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Uh, T-Pars2, "Big thank you to Gil, Will, Todd, Parlay for the March Madness beating the book megapod. Great minds breaking down the bracket. Who could forget the Florida Atlantic run from a few years ago?
2:21
Let's cast some winners, gents." Yeah, he's referring to 2023 when Will called FAU to get to the Final Four. It was incredible.
2:28
And Todd, had he paid heed to my advice, had entered the DraftKings contest, would have tied for second and made $35,000. Did he do it? No, he didn't do it. It's gonna be tough.
2:38
The only thing is, thank God he wouldn't have finished first, 'cause I don't think Todd would be here today. He would be so distraught. It's gonna be tough for, uh, to beat that FAU run here anytime soon.
2:48
That was so much fun. So good. D- just like, hey, m- me having ties to that school, and then Will having the ticket. Remember we were having Ken Lavica on the show, like, every week. Ken Lavica.
2:56
That was, that was a blast. Jesse Welch, "Odds on Kelly showing up today looking like an 18th century British monarch." What does that represent? I brought that up yesterday about the Oscars. Oh, right.
3:05
One of those guys at the Oscars who's wear- That's, that's right... wearing ridiculous glasses. Uh, Doug Wedge, "Time for my yearly name drop.
3:11
Back with a Fantastic Four of March Madness betting," talking about the megapod. Doug Wedge was the guy how he, he did finish tied for second, I believe, in the DraftKings contest.
3:19
That's how we knew Todd would have as well. Used all of Todd's picks. Um, let's see. Doopa-doopa-doo. This is from, uh, Johnny, let's see. Jeff Kuykendall, "You got me into handicapping tennis. Thank you. It's a ball.
3:33
I only handicap women for now, and I was wondering how heavy you take into account Elo and, and, uh, DR into your handicapping. Have a great day, guys. Daily listener." I take it into account, but I have my own numbers.
3:43
Um, but Jeff, I'm so glad you're doing it. I love that you're involved now. TheRGB, the Social Beacon, "Kelly, you should think about a trip to Antarctica.
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They now offer flights via passenger jet that land on an ice runway, and you stay a few days. Very rare experience." Okay. Okay. Put it on my list. I'd do that.
3:59
And then we're getting a lot of this with the, uh, with the Aiden Holloway thing.
4:02
Nate King says, "Could the police or someone in the area wanted to bust someone with Bama hoops because they're upset how the Miller situation was handled?"
4:09
A lot of people bringing up the Brandon Miller thing as a sort of- I mean, who knows at all? Yes. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? It's ju- it...
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Yes, it's just hard for us to sit here doing a show yesterday and think, "Oh yeah, this is, this is not coincidental at all." Yeah.
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Uh, ladies and gentlemen, he comes to us from north of the border, Toronto, Canada, the T-Dot. They called the T-Dot anymore? Uh, JKon, ladies and gentlemen, @JKon4. H-A-H-N on Twitter. J-H-A-H-N, the number four.
4:38
Uh, he, of course, the co-host of The Point and the Fantasy Hockey Show, not to mention co-host of NHL Fantasy on Ice, SiriusXM NHL for the first two, uh, and of course, NHL Fantasy can be the, uh, or is the Twitter handle for the other.
4:51
Jake, good morning to you, sir. Good morning to you both. Happy to be here. Obviously a very fun, busy sports week as well with March Madness, and hey, we've got a World Baseball Classic final tonight- Yes...
5:02
with the US represent- US, Venezuela. That should be a lot of fun.
5:05
That Venezuela team is, uh, has been an exciting watch throughout the course of the tournament, and obviously the US is a, a heavy favorite in that game, but that should be, that could be an interesting game tonight, guys.
5:13
US a heavy favorite. Was it minus 280 I saw on this game, uh, for the United States? Uh, Venezuela, though, great team. Maybe not quite as stacked as Dominican Republic and the US team, but a great team nonetheless.
5:24
Um, it's gonna be Nolan McLain. Didn't go so well with Nolan McLain the last time, as I recall. Uh, and Eduardo Rodriguez going for Venezuela. There it is, minus 285, mi- uh, plus 225 on the comeback.
5:34
By the way, USA, uh, we mentioned this yesterday, Jake. They, they win on, on a very, uh, generous strike three call to end the game the other night against the DR, and then today, like Venezuela had...
5:47
They played last night. Did- didn't the World Baseball Classic think this through? I was wondering that as well with the rest factor, and I, I see, uh, [laughs] I see Kelly shaking his head.
5:57
I don't think they really thought this one through. I, I think it's just, you know, a scheduling, and obviously they gotta get these games in, right? And everybody's gotta get back and, and get the MLB season going.
6:06
So I, I get- I understand it. You kind of have to, to do your best with it, and one team's gonna be at a bit more of an advantage. But, hey, maybe, maybe Venezuela just rides that wave from last night.
6:14
It was a, a fun win for them over the Italian squad, who was also a great story in this tournament. So, uh, I, I don't mind Venezuela there on the run line. Maybe, uh, maybe at least keep it tight with the US.
6:22
I don't know about win, but, but maybe keep it within a run. All right, Mr. Man, you gave us Cameron Young last week. Congratulations at the Players Championship. Well done. Thank you. Thank you, guys.
6:32
It's li- I, I briefly talked with you before we, uh, I jumped on here, and golf betting is, uh, can be a very fickle game.
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And, you know, some years, like last year I hit eight winners, and everything was going my way and, you know, every playoff went my way. This year it's been a, it's been a struggle.
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I got Daniel Berger 200 to 1 at API, thinking here we go. Oh. This is gonna be a big, big win, and we all kind of saw how that unfolded if you watched golf on that Sunday.
6:55
So you're kind of down, you're thinking, "Man, am I ever gonna hit one again?" And then the next week, uh, Cam Young steps up and, and wins like that. And there was a lot of guys in contention there late.
7:04
Fitzpatrick, obviously. Ludvig, who had the lead most of the weekend, uh, blows up there on the back nine. So, uh, glad to see all the Cam Young tickets out there.
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And, uh, uh, Valspar is up this week, which is a tournament that's actually probably been my most successful tournament betting- Uh-oh... uh, in history. So, uh, so here we go. Way to ride the wave into Valspar, guys.
7:19
Okay, so who's your guy? Yeah, who's winning, Jake? Who's, who's your guy at the Valspar? So I got two bets in here right now, guys. I got Ryo Hisatsune. I grabbed, uh, an early 55 to 1 on Sunday night.
7:29
Uh, you know this. When you hit a winner on Sunday, you immediately are, you're looking at the odds board for next week thinking, "Hey, can I find some odds?"
7:34
That there was a couple sites that did have odds out on Sunday night. So I, I grabbed the Hisatsune. I, I felt like he was gonna be very popular. Good finish at Valspar last year.
7:42
He's just been striking the ball really well this year, so he comes in with some good form. So I grabbed him, and guys, I gotta do it for the first time since he's returned to the PGA tour.
7:49
I'm going with Brooks Koepka here at the Valspar. I, I like, I like where his game is trending. He can't putt.
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He cannot make a putt right now at all, so that's gonna have to flip in some fashion, but he's been striking the ball sneaky well here, and I think this course sets up nicely for him, and you're getting a pretty good number.
8:04
Uh, you could probably shop at close to around 30 to 1 for Brooksie this week. Jay Kahn, ladies and gentlemen. I know I'm supposed to talk hockey with you, and we'll get your hockey picks.
8:11
One more question before we get your hockey plays today. Uh, the NCAA tournament, we're obsessed, obviously this country is, the United States, with March Madness, the Big Dance, all kinds of monikers for it.
8:21
Do you in Canada, I always say this, like the US, again, we take our amateur sports for granted. US is unlike any other country in the world with this.
8:28
As I like to say, uh, East Moscow Tech does not take on Southwest Russia State, right? Though those games don't happen. [laughs] Uh, in Canada, are you aware of March Madness? Do you play brackets?
8:42
It, it, honestly, it's massive up here for sports fans. Guys, I, I don't know if we follow it as much during the, the regular season. I think that's where, you know, the coverage isn't quite there.
8:50
But TSN, which is one of the big networks here, one of the big sports networks here, they have all the games, all the different channels. Uh, w- it is covered heavily up here.
8:58
So if you're going to a sports bar or if you're watching at home, it's very easily accessible, and people do get into it.
9:03
The bars are packed, uh, especially on the, on this opening weekend, Thursday, Friday, uh, into the weekend as well. I love it. It's one of my favorite, uh, sporting events of the year, especially this weekend coming up.
9:13
I don't claim to be a, an expert on college basketball, and I can't follow it as much as I used to. You know, you get a little busy with other sports. But, uh, I, I ramp it up for March Madness, guys.
9:22
I'm, I'm really excited for this week, and I w- I would speak for, uh, I think a lot of Canadian sports fans that are in the same boat as me. All right. Just wanted your perspective on that.
9:29
To something you are expert in, the National Hockey League. Let us get your plays, starting with the Bruins and the Canadiens. You have a total play in this game.
9:37
So always a sneaky good rivalry here, Boston and Montreal. This one goes way back, guys, and a ton of importance for the playoff race in this game.
9:43
The Habs with a couple of bad losses over the weekend, both in regulation, and all of a sudden that playoff spot gets a, a little dicey. So this is a big game for Montreal.
9:51
Boston played last night, so this is second half of a back-to-back for the Bruins, but they saved Jeremy Swayman for this game. So they saved their better goaltender for this one.
9:59
That's why I'm liking the under six and a half. I, I like how Swayman's been playing lately. Uh, you could certainly make it a, a case for the Vezina Trophy with how good he's been this year.
10:07
So I like him to keep it tight. Uh, and with Boston on that second half of a back-to-back maybe just don't have the juice offensively.
10:12
Six and a half feels like a pretty high total for this game with, uh, if Jeremy Swayman's involved. Um, did Montreal and Boston ever play in the Stanley Cup final back in the day? Did they back in the day? Hmm. Yes.
10:24
1978. Who could forget it? Classic. And '77, back to back in the '70s. Montreal won both times, I believe. Yeah, four, 4-0 in, uh, '77, 4-2 in '78. Scotty Bowman, the coach for the Canadiens back in the day.
10:38
All right, Predators at the Jets. You're on the Jets tonight. Two teams here that are probably going to miss but still think that they can make it, guys.
10:45
If you're asking me if either of them make it, I'd probably say no, but you can't tell them that right now while they're still mathematically alive. These teams are gonna fight it out here down the stretch.
10:53
I like the Jets on, on home ice. It's been a really bad season for Winnipeg coming in with high expectations. I think this is a fair price.
10:59
A Nashville team that's had a b- bit of a tricky schedule lately, while Winnipeg's been able to, to kind of hang out and, and chill at home.
11:05
This would be three in a row for, for the Jets, and they're trying desperately to climb themselves back in it here. Okay. Uh, by the way, Montreal and Boston also played in '53, '57, and '58, Kelly.
11:14
I know you remember those ones as well. Oh, yeah. Uh, Edmonton in regulation tonight against the Sharks. Third road game in four nights for the San Jose Sharks.
11:22
With travel now, they go from eastern Canada over to western Canada, so I think this is a really tough scheduling spot for this young Sharks team.
11:28
Maybe they're just so young they won't care, guys, but I don't like the scheduling spot for San Jose. I like Edmonton on the puck line or Edmonton regulation in this game tonight.
11:36
Okay, and lean Blue Jackets, but you're not gonna pull the trigger on that? I, I haven't got there yet, guys, but I just, I love the way this Jackets team is playing. Carolina's very, very good.
11:44
Tough to fade them, but, uh, I don't mind the Jackets as a home dog tonight. All right. Jay Kahn, everybody. Thank you, Jay. Enjoy the madness from north of the border. We appreciate you. You, you too, guys. Good luck.
11:53
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By the way, Numbers Game brought to you by Profit X. Brian Shaver, "Gil, can we do a, a Numbers Game survivor? For the listeners, winner gets a Todfather T-shirt."
13:44
I was saying yesterday we should do it where the first prize again, one day with Todd Wishnow. Second prize, two days with Todd Wishnow. Um, but the Todfather T-shirt is interesting too.
13:54
Uh, Dionna, Todd's friend, Dionna loves Todd. She's so, she's so thrilled that he ga- he's being called the Todfather. She's very, she's very excited about that.
14:03
[laughs] Uh, James Saad, "Annual trek to Vegas for the Madness, hoping to, uh, visit you guys.
14:07
Any quarter picks for Miami, or is this just so different than Indian Wells that players may struggle initially to get accustomed?" I don't usually play futures in Miami in the same way that I do Indian Wells.
14:19
So nothing from me at this point. Maybe Drew will have some coming up. Uh, Brian M, "One thing JCon missed on the Bruins-Canadiens game is Cole Caufield anytime goal scorer." I don't know if he missed it.
14:29
"Six games over the last two seasons he has nine goals. Throw in Suzuki assists, seven in those games, and it's a plus 160, same game parlay." Well- Get it together, Jake...
14:37
sounds like, [laughs] sounds like you just wanna bet that. [laughs] Uh, and then, and Keet Kadaki- uh, Kadaki, I hope I'm pronouncing that right, he says, I can't say these words on, on the radio.
14:46
Uh, the, a couple words Todd used on the podcast. Again, I would point you- Ah... to the Beating The Book podcast. "Will those words be referenced on ANG today? God, I hope not." And Keet, I hope not. Um,
14:58
let's talk with Matt Cox from Three Man Weave. One-third of the Three Man Weavers joins us now courtesy of the Progressive Guest Line. You can follow him on Twitter @MattyCox, that's Matty with a Y, _Cox.
15:09
Three Man Weave's @3MW_CBB. He joins us now with the play-in games tonight, the NIT tonight, and of course the Madness in earnest beginning Thursday morning. Matt, what kind of, kind of week are you having so far?
15:21
How long was your podcast yesterday? Uh, two hours, Gil. Uh, short and sweet. [laughs] Got through all of the...
15:29
I, I do feel like we disrespect the play-in game breakdowns 'cause we're sort of, um, projecting how they play out into the round of 64. So, so most people's brackets sort of are built like that, right?
15:38
You're sort of picking sort of a, a package portfolio. Um, but no, uh, broke it all down.
15:43
I think we are, I, if I'm guessing, I think our hit rate should be about 99%, so perfect bracket, uh, loading for the Weave, so excited for that to kind of come to fruition. Okay. So do, l- let's start there.
15:55
Do you have any plays tonight or tomorrow night? Do you have any plays in the NIT tonight? Uh, I have nothing, uh, official... I'm sorry, no, I do have one play tonight. I forgot this is a Tuesday.
16:07
I have South Alabama actually as a big dog, NIT. Um, I'm not really a big believer in, like, the Auburn doesn't care narrative, but certainly I can see why some people would, would agree with that.
16:18
Um, bet down to 17 and a half, I got 18, uh, opened at 19 and a half. Richie Riley, really good coach. You remember last season, they got snubbed from the NIT.
16:27
They got the invitation and they got a call back and said, "Oh no, by the way, sorry, you're not invited," 'cause they had failed or they messed up sort of the scheduling and booking process.
16:35
Um, and so now they get the invite back this year after a pretty successful season. I think he's just a coach that needs to be at a better program frankly.
16:41
They play a really, really, really funky zone that's hard to prepare for on short prep.
16:46
Uh, historically much better as a dog, as than a favorite, so that's my only action tonight, kind of a situational play on a coach I like against a team that might just be sort of walking as a zombie team after their, uh, kind of tumultuous fall toward the end of the year and, and missed bid for the tournament.
17:01
Okay, so nothing play in tonight or tomorrow night. Nothing? No. Uh, tomorrow night I have Prairie View. Oh, okay. Um, against Lehigh. Yeah, very weird match up, SWAC versus Patriot. Um, should be a chaotic game.
17:16
It, it's actually got bet under. A lot of these Dayton first fours get bet under it feels like. I know it's sort of historically I think a, an under venue. Um, it's played, played more neutral lately.
17:25
I just think Prairie View's the better team, and Byron Smith is a really good coach who I think people forgot about because he had just a really bad run of injuries the last few seasons.
17:33
I mean, he basically took his program from the, the de- you know, the depths of hell and brought it back to prominence before COVID. COVID set him back. Now he's finally got a good team this year, some talent.
17:43
A little more athletic team, and I think they're well-coached enough to kind of deal with Lehigh's, um, Lehigh's stuff. So I like the Panthers tomorrow, uh, plus three and a half, plus three.
17:52
Prairie View to keep it going or at least to cover the spread anyway against Lehigh.
17:55
And Gil, hey, if they can win this and then they upset Florida, which I know we all think is very likely, uh, they can march on to the Houston Regional and play a home game. That's right.
18:05
[laughs] So it'd be fun to see, uh- That's right... the Central Prairie View versus Houston Elite Eight match up, two Houston-based schools. Should be an epic battle if that comes to pass.
18:12
See, Matty, this is why we, this is why we have you on, for angles that no one else has thought of. It's already on my bracket. That kind of stuff right there. They're, they're extra motivated, Gil- So-...
18:19
because they have the close regional That's right... extra motivated, yeah. Extra motivated. They're like, "Wait, what?" [laughs] Um, okay. What about, what about round of 64 games? What are your favorite bets?
18:30
Um, [sighs] I'll be hon- I don't have any really big bets this year. A lot of smaller bets. Um, I did take UCLA, a minus five. Okay.
18:39
I think the obvious angle there is they've not been great going west to east, that has sort of been s- been the kind of a bugaboo for a lot of these West Coast power conference teams.
18:47
Um, but against USF, UCF, excuse me, Donnie De- Donnie Dent should be fully healthy. I think Bill Udou should play and be effective, and I think they match up really well with this UCF team.
18:57
So I think Mick Cronin, um, sort of escuse the, uh, perception that they can't win, uh, outside of their own, the friendly confines of the West Coast. I think this, this number is, is shaded that direction.
19:09
Uh, so that's priced in. Um, and just so if you account for that, the other matchup angles I like, my numbers I have is seven and a half, so I'm gonna trust it, and I took UCLA, uh, as one of my first round plays here.
19:19
Uh, Cronin versus Dawkins. I know Dawkins has been very good this year, but it's a big coaching mismatch in my opinion. Okay.
19:24
And this is just also just a reflection for, for some who are, you know, listening who just landed on college basketball.
19:30
A lot of folks who bet college basketball year long, by the time you get to the Madness, you don't have much, right? Historically, you don't play a lot ATS in the Madness, right? Correct. Yeah.
19:38
Yes, and just to like even my, uh... You know, I do a lot of, um, you know, I have my own qualitative power ratings, I have certain situational angles I track, and I have a model.
19:46
So it's kind of a fusion of those three things. Uh, none of them, uh, have historically done well consistently year to year in the tournament, in the way the game's changing recently at a r- more rapid pace.
19:58
Um, especially the last two years, I just, it's, I, you kind of have to trust small, um, inklings of intuition.
20:04
I mean, the one thing that people have talked about I think sort of real is the gap between the haves and the have-nots. Yeah. Looking at the spreads, uh, ATS trends, the top four seeds against the 13s through 16.
20:14
Um, I think that's being priced in this year too, so I don't know if that's, there's any meat left on that bone.
20:18
Um, but I think you have to really target some small sample, um, types of edges here, and a lot of those come with scheme and coaching.
20:25
Uh, but again, not a lot of certainty to those edges either, so it can't, doesn't warrant any big bets, uh, at all. Did you fill out a bracket, Matt? Can we get into that? Eh, still doing that. Okay.
20:34
I know my family and friends are blowing me up with like 20 different bracket re- re- requests, which I, uh, I hate doing. I should probably get more into bracket strategy, but I will probably go all chalk.
20:43
I was trying to find some good pricing on the, uh, four one seeds to make the final four, yes/no. I think there's some big gaps in market out there.
20:51
I in- intuitively, I think it's a, a, yes is gonna be shaded, you know, poor pricing-wise, but I do think I will have all four seeds, the one seeds, uh, march on. See? That, that's what I ended up with.
21:01
So this is, I'll just take you on. Yeah.
21:02
So that's what I did, and then of course since then I'm hearing all these wacky picks from everybody else, and now I have this deep regret of like, "Am I, am I messing up on this?"
21:12
But I feel like, and I know if you listen historically, the only time all four number ones have advanced is last year, and in the year 2008. That's it, that's the list. But I really do.
21:22
I got Duke, Florida, Arizona, and Michigan, and I'm sticking with it. That's what I got. Um, you're the same then.
21:30
I, I am, but I don't feel as confident as I did probably three weeks ago, because you look at some of these ones, see Duke, for example, with their injuries. Yeah. Uh, a big pat up front, I think that's a huge potential.
21:38
Pete Michigan loses, uh, Cason, who's a really key, you know, point, n- not critical pieces, but key depth pieces that over the run of four games, you know, you have to account for maybe there's a game in there, a matchup where they could miss that specific, uh, you know, weapon.
21:52
In Florida, they can't shoot. Maybe they just go ice cold and, you know, they can get every rebound.
21:57
So yeah, there is some risk to some of these top one seeds that, but I still think they're just a, on a different tier than the rest of the- It is-... country right now. It is, it feels like that kind of year.
22:06
G- Before you go, let me ask you, uh, this one, which is I'm asking, I'm asking of everyone, which is, since 2008, a double-digit seed has gotten to the Sweet 16, at least one every single year. Last year- Yep...
22:17
we got real close to not having it, but a 10 seed, Arkansas, did get there. Who's the double-digit seed or who are the double-digit seeds that get to the Sweet 16 this year? Uh, I like South Florida.
22:29
Um, I think a decent matchup first round against Louisville, and they actually could pose some mis- uh, matchup issues for Michigan State.
22:35
Uh, super athletic, not necessarily tall, but very, um, you know, grizzled, like chiseled, athletic, strong, power conference athlete type dudes.
22:43
Well-coached, Bryan Hodgson, who's gonna probably be at Providence or Syracuse, uh, in a week's time if they don't advance, so really well-coached.
22:50
I think that's a potential mismatch for Harvey, um, in the second turn of the weekend if they can get it done against Louisville. A popular pick. That's a very popular answer. Yeah, popular, I know. Matt, enjoy.
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He said, "Thanks to Chrissy Andrews, your mishpocha. Here's that documentary on Frankenstein that the ANG crew was talking [chuckles] about recently. Nothing happening this week, so he has time to check it out.
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Peace and love." Uh, yeah, Chrissy Andrews, uh, there's a documentary on Young Frankenstein, the movie Young Frankenstein, which is Chrissy's favorite movie of all time. So Primetime is, uh, joking around here.
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JC, he goes, "That blanken Catalina line mixer." Think he's talking about Drew there. Colin Murphy, "Curious- What sounds do falcons make? Yeah, we'll get Kelly on that as well.
24:41
DGen Southern Gent, "My first and only time skydiving was in Tracy, California back in 2017. I'm terrified of heights, but that's not what bothered me. No one prepares you for the cold.
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It was 105, 105 degrees in Tracy that day, but during the free fall my face was as cold as it had ever been."
24:56
That's interesting, um, because that was my thought too, 'cause I'm scared of heights too, but you think in skydiving you're so far up that your perception of, of height goes out the window, but I hadn't considered the cold.
25:09
Uh, David Montgomery, "Love having hot Toddy," as I call him, "on the show today. I may be the only one, but I weep with laughter when he does the accent." Which accent are you talking about, the yinzer one?
25:18
My favorite is the sports announcer one. Uh, and then Winning Streak, "Are we sure Whale Capper, Drew, isn't a spy in disguise with those social engineering skills?"
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And Sports Savant, "Just when I thought I couldn't hate Duke fans more, leave it, [laughs] leave it to Drew." I don't know if you mean by his description or Drew himself. Why, why you, why you getting mad at Drew?
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I think maybe you meant the, uh, description. Um, and then Mile High David, "On delay, I'm a little behind. When I was in the Marines I flew in the backseat of an F-8, F-18, same as a Blue Angel.
25:44
Didn't pass out, but vomited several times in a bag. Talked with the pilot before we left. He said, 'Hope breakfast was good. You're going to taste it again.'" Yeah, that would've totally been me. Totally been me.
25:53
Um, ladies and gentlemen, Kelly is behind the glass for a couple segments because it is a treat for the third time in three weeks on, uh, excuse me, third time in one week on this show, or the fourth time if you include Beating the Book podcast, in studio, Toddy Wishnev here, the man who has put together the finest college basketball, if not
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greatest sports betting season there's ever been, over 170 units to the positive in college hoops. He joins us now in studio. Sir, how are you? Hey, how are you? [laughs] I'm doing very well.
26:24
Todd and I went to a all-you-can-eat sushi place last night by the old Hard Rock, which is called Virgin these days, but I still think of it as the Hard Rock, and, uh, it's all-you-can-eat, but yet if the food landed closer to me, Todd would grab over the table and say, "Don't you dare."
26:39
Not factual. Completely factual. Not factual. If I, my order went over there- Mm... I didn't want it to be absconded- I don't think you-... by an unauthorized taker of said foods.
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I don't think you have a good memory as to who ordered what. Look, they didn't give notebooks. They should've given notebooks. They should've. It's very difficult. Yeah, it's very difficult. Anyway, how are you, sir?
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You good? You excited? Well, you know, it's a, [sighs] a little breather yesterday 'cause there was no college basketball, and Sunday I really- I missed it... basically didn't even watch really much on Sunday. Yeah.
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'Cause it was like one day I went to LA, hung out with some friends, and it's been a long season. So now we're getting geared back up for the National Invitational Tournament tonight.
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You're gonna be- It should be entertaining... you're gonna be in gaming on the Discord, the NIT. Definitely, definitely. And, and the play-in games.
27:26
Oh, the problem is I'm gonna be on the flight for a lot of it, but I'll see if I can track a little bit. Okay. We're gonna crescendo. Crescendo.
27:32
Next segment you're gonna, we're gonna revisit your Elite Eight, your Final Four, your championship game, and your champion from yesterday on the mega pod. Okay. Because I already set it up for people.
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I'm like, "You will not wanna miss this." Well, I don't, it's probably not gonna be even close to right, but I just figured, look, if, if the- Listen...
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you know, you gotta, you gotta do something different to win, and some of the stuff that I was thinking that's crazy is possible to happen, so- Yeah... you know. Yeah, you were downplaying the insanity of it. Yeah.
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You, you think it's actually very li- you know, pr- quite likely that it could happen. No, it's not likely, but you know what I mean. [laughs] He's, he thinks it's quite possible that it could happen. Possible.
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All right, before we get into that, though, um, we wanted to do as part, we wanna sort of cover every little aspect of the big dance. Coaches, no one, no one takes in more college basketball than you.
28:19
Coaches you trust, coaches you don't trust. Can we start with the coaches you trust list first? Because I know there's a guy that a lot of people don't like that you do like. I like Calipari.
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I know people- That's who I'm talking about... I know people, like, don't like him, but that wa- You know, Calipari was two different coaches.
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When he was at Massachusetts and he was the upstart, he was actually a pretty darn good coach, and then when he got all the, when he was, like, getting all the one-and-dones at Kentu- then he, like, wasn't as good.
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He became this guy. Yeah. But now I felt like he came, he's coming back to his roots with Arkansas, where he's not the considered the big dog anymore, and they played really well in the tournament last year, I thought.
28:57
Yeah. You know, as a, I think they were a low seed, if I remember correctly. There's UMass teams. There's Marcus Camby, and who was the guard that was great on that team?
29:04
There was, like, a, a, um, Latino guard, if I remember correctly. Oh, right. Maybe, like- That's right... Gonzalez or something. Rodriguez maybe. Um- I don't remember. Okay.
29:12
So you, you t- John Calipari, of course, the head coach at Arkansas. Arkansas a, uh, a four seed that you, uh, think could get pretty far in this tournament?
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Uh, Arkansas, well, no, the problem is I don't like what, what the, what they did. They took two teams that I like, [laughs] Arkansas and Wisconsin, and put them against each other. Right. It's just not fair.
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I don't want that. Can I reshuffle? You are not allowed to reshuffle the bracket. I'd like to reshuffle the deck. You are not allowed to do that. [laughs] Wait, so
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okay, so if they, if the two teams play, what's your instinct? Well, in my bracket I took Wisconsin. I just think Wisconsin has the two best wins of the year at Michigan, at Illinois. They're always in the game.
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They have those three-point shooters. Granted, they're not great on defense. They're not. But, you know, I just like their gumption. They feel, uh, they feel, like, a lot of gumption. You like the gumption.
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Even the other day in the, uh, in the tournament against Michigan they were down big and then that, that one kid got super hot from three and they- How do you-... came right back in it...
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how do you feel about their moxie? You feel as highly about their moxie as you do about their gumption? Their moxie/gumption is excellent. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What, their chut- chutzpah as well? Yeah?
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Uh, now you're going a little too far. Okay. Yeah. I thought so. I thought I could get too far.
30:17
Um, Darius Acuff Jr., on the podcast yesterday the great Jeff Parlay, the Grover Cleveland of producers, mentioned that he thought Acuff is the best player in the tournament, and I said, "Better than Peterson?
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Better than D- D'Bansa?" I know, you're not a D'Bansa guy. "Better than all these guys?" He said, "Yes." You? Yeah, I think he's... I mean, did you see what Sean Miller said the, the...
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You know, Sean Miller knows his ball. Yeah. And he was talking about how, you know, we get over You know, it's on Twitter is the whole thing.
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We get over, you know, stimulated or overexcited about some of these guys, but he said Acuff deserves every bit of it and maybe more, you know, 'cause he thinks he's, like, just unbelievable.
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So why is he, like, triple digits to go number one in the draft? Shouldn't we be betting that? We never said the draft people were that smart. That's right.
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And I, I do believe there's a man named Thomas Brady who was in the sixth round. That's correct. Thomas Brady. That's right. I know that's- Different sport... the NFL draft, but still. Right. All right.
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So Calipari- But there are great basketball players that weren't, like- Yeah... Kobe Bryant I think was 13th. Am I wrong? Ni- Ni- They drafted Nikola Jokic in, in a commercial in the second round. In the second round.
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By the way, the Nuggets just drafted this dude, basically when they came back from commercial. There you go. All right. Calipari, who else do you trust? Uh, I mean, uh- Or give me a don't trust.
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Well, I don't like Tommy Lloyd. I think Arizona's extremely talented, but every year Tommy Lloyd finds a way to, to monkey it up. Now, maybe this year he'll figure it out, but I...
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You know, Tommy Lloyd is always a concern. He's always a concern for Arizona. Um, I'm not thrilled with the BYU coach this year. I'll be honest about that. I, I don't really love him.
31:48
Um- You have it in for BYU, let's face it... Mark Few just rubs me the wrong way. I don't really like him too much. I mean, he's a good coach. I can't take it away from him.
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Purdue's coach, for, like, a top- We, we don't care about your personal feelings All right... I just wanna know if you trust him as a coach. I, I don't care for him. Uh, Purdue- [laughs] Purdue, Purdue's coach, meh.
32:08
Painter, you know, come on. I mean, he's good. He's a good coach, but he's not, like... I wouldn't put him elite. He's like a Mike Tomlin kinda guy, you know? Okay.
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Um- That's higher than I thought you'd say about Painter, by the way. Okay... I mean, I just feel like he's not, like, super elite, you know? Uh, I like the Michigan coach a lot, the FAU coach, right? Dustin May.
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He's good. Mm-hmm. Um, going down here. Texas Tech, I love their coach. He's outstanding. Um, Tennessee, meh, you can have that one. Uh, let's see. Who else? Kentucky, eh. I- Iowa State.
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I kinda like the Iowa State coach. He's pretty good. You know? Uh, let's go on this side. Do, do, do, do. Uh, Jamie Dixon for TCU. Hmm. Oh, I love Pitino, of course. I love Pitino. I love, I love...
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You know, I just like Ricky Pitino. A- a- again, as a guy, probably not my favorite guy, but as a coach I really like him. Uh, Kansas, I don't like Bill Self.
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And, and I always tell this story about how I went to the game there that one time. You are not a Bill Self guy. Yeah.
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And I think it's just that Kansas' home court advantage is so great that people don't realize, if you have never been to that Fieldhouse, what it sounds like in there. Yeah. And I went one time in my life. Yeah.
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And it was the greatest, most unbelievable home court advantage I've ever seen in a sporting event, and I think that's why Kansas through the years n- of course they've been good, but th- through the years they've had a lot of tournaments where they just didn't do it, and they were disappointing, and I think it's because they get overrated by the fact their home court advantage is so good.
33:37
Interesting point. By the way, just to fill in some of the blanks, BYU's coach is Kevin Young. Um, Iowa State's coach is, uh, TJ Otzelberger. Who else did you mention here? Um- Oh, you mentioned BYU. That's Kevin Young.
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Todd doesn't know the names. He just knows the guys. I, I know who they are. Right. Yeah. I just... You know what, you know what I mean. Okay. Well- Oh, I love Tom Izzo. I love Tom Izzo. All right. Love Tom Izzo.
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Hold that thought. Hold that thought. Yeah. We'll come back. Todd's brackets. You won't wanna miss this. Next on the Numbers Game right here at VSiN, the sports betting network.
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34:51
Colin Murphy letting us know, uh, that Edgar Padilla was the guard on UMass that we were thinking of probably. Carmelo Travieso also on that team. Uh, this is from, uh, James Fessler.
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"Trying to find an updated Gonzaga injury report before this Todd Wishnaugh segment just to be mentally prepared." Uh, Braden Huff, according to Mark Few, will not play this weekend. Okay. There you go.
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Will not play this weekend. They're a totally different team with and without him. Like, with him I was loving that team. Yeah. Without him, bleh. [laughs] Well, what was your analysis on them? Bleh? Yeah.
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Yeah, it's not good. Uh, you think they could bou- get bounced here in, in the, uh- Anything can happen. They're not that good without him...
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because potentially, uh, potentially Gonzaga would take on- I have them against NC State... BYU. Forget BYU. Okay. Hold on. Hold your thoughts. Okay. Um,
35:40
John Sepulveda, "Have you ever said how/where you met Todd Wishnaugh? Just curious. He's hilarious. Been listening/watching for a while, and I don't think I recall you saying." Uh, I met Todd because Todd, uh...
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I was a consultant on the Showtime docuseries Action,
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got Crack on the show, and then they found, the showrunners found Todd at the South Point, and one day when we were doing the show at the South Point Studio, Todd rolled up to the studio after one of the shows, and we met then.
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Right, because Crack was there. 'Cause Crack was there. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Mm-hmm. Ryan Kleinfelter, "Yo, I see Toddy's wearing an ESPN bet shirt.
36:14
I was wondering who was responsible for putting them out of business. Now I know. It was Todd and his 100 bajillion in-game college basketball bets." Way to go, Toddy, he says.
36:22
They, I think they, I think they w- moved to this score before college basketball season. We have a, uh, we have a lit of a, a, a bit of a line move tonight, one of the play-in games. Is this tonight or tomorrow?
36:31
This is tonight's game, right? Uh, UMBC and Howard University, the battle for supremacy on I-95 north of the District of Columbia. Howard inside the D- uh, the DC, uh, box of course.
36:43
UMBC, a commuter school in Catonsville, Maryland. Now Howard is a one-and-a-half point favorite. UMBC was a tick of a favorite beforehand. You're on UMBC. You like them? I like... You know what?
36:52
Look, I don't bet pregame. We know very rarely do I bet a pregame. Yeah. But because I'm gonna be on the flight tonight- Yeah... let's see, UMBC goes off, oh, that's the early game too. Yeah.
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So I'll be, uh, I'll probably be on the airplane and maybe what I'll just do is bet it pregame because I like UMBC. I, I like, I like that team. I've watched them a number of times.
37:14
I've watched Howard too, but I just feel UMBC's a little bit better. All right. UMBC, first appearance in the, uh, in the dance since they upset Virginia famously as a 16 seed, uh, back in 2018. 2018 was it or 2019?
37:28
I can never get their year right. One of those two years. You remember what I'm talking about. Okay, let's get to it.
37:33
You mentioned this, the, for those who want a bracket-by-bracket analysis, both straight up and against the spread, Todd, Will Hill, Jeff Parlins, and I did on the Beating the Book March Madness Megapod.
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That is out now for consumption, however you consume your podcasts. But I wanted Todd to revisit that right here right now because this is pretty awesome. Your Elite Eight, can we start there? Yeah.
37:58
My Elite Eight, uh, let's see. Let's go from the, from the top part. Okay, so, damn, the damn thing keeps moving on me. [laughs] Okay. So St. John's, I had St. John's to get to, against Duke in the Sweet 16 game.
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This is in the east. And I like- Yeah... and I like the Johnnies. I just feel like there's all this, you know, consternation about the injuries.
38:21
Now of course Duke's the better team, of course, but, you know, it, I don't think you're gonna win your, your bracket if you just have Duke going all, even if Duke goes all the way, somebody else will have something better.
38:31
You've gotta do something, and I feel like St. John's could beat Duke. Why not? Okay. Okay. Then- So St. John's in your Elite Eight...
38:38
then I didn't wanna take Michigan State far this year 'cause I don't really like Michigan State as a team this year. Now I love Izzo, as I mentioned.
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Chris Felice goes like, "Oh, wow, great, great insight, Todd, that you like Izzo." That Felice is a little full of himself, isn't he? [laughs] I'm getting a little sick of that guy. No, I love Chris.
38:54
But, uh, anyways, Michigan State, I had Michigan State playing UConn, and the thing is, I don't wanna take UConn either.
39:01
So it's y- two teams that I love their coaches and I don't, but I don't know who else to take because I don't like anybody else in here. I don't think UCLA can do it.
39:09
I don't think, uh, who are the other big ones over here? Louisville, I'm not, I'm not up on them.
39:16
And so I just have to go with UConn against Michigan State, and I'm taking Michigan State because I just don't like how UConn's looked this year even though I love Hurley.
39:24
Again, I think he's, needs some psychiatric care. Yes. But I do like him. [laughs] All right. So St. John's, Michigan State in your Elite Eight in the East region. Right.
39:34
And then I have Michigan State advancing to the Final Four over the Ricky Patinos. Now- Okay, so Michigan State your Final Four team over St. John's. Right. All right. That's one. Then in the bottom one, I like Florida.
39:47
I've liked Florida all year. I love their defense. I just freaking love how they get up on you and just try to strangle you to death.
39:55
I think Florida is great, and they, I think they're gonna play Vandy in a rematch, um, of recently here in the tournament, and I'll take Florida.
40:03
Then on the bottom part, again, Houston is a team I used to always love to take, but I don't think this is a real Houston team.
40:10
The defense isn't as good as I've, I've thought in the past, so I'm gonna take the Illini, another team that I don't really wanna take, but I gotta take somebody.
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So I'm gonna have Florida against the Illini on that side in the Elite Eight, and I'm gonna have Florida advancing on to the Final Four. Okay. And now we go to the top part on the other side.
40:30
Some people call these the regions. I call them the top part on the other side. [laughs] West. And- Yes... right, the, the West top part. So Arizona, incredibly talented this year.
40:40
I mean, I just love the team, everything about them, but it's Tommy Lloyd, and Tommy Lloyd has proven time and again, much like Gil Alexander- [laughs]...
40:49
in tennis, he can get close sometimes- Wow, wow, you gotta do that bit... but he always ruins it because of his psychological problems.
40:57
So I do believe that Wis- now, Wisconsin and Arkansas, I like both of those teams and I wanted to take them both, but I'm stuck because they're gonna play each other. I'm gonna take Wisconsin to get through.
41:08
I am very enamored of Wisconsin. I know they don't play defense. I'm still enamored. I think Wisconsin knocks off the Arizonas, and Wisconsin goes to the Final Eight. I believe they're the Wilds Cats.
41:18
And then in the bottoms part of that same p- top part- Yeah... we have, uh, just an absolute crap storm because I don't like BYU, I don't like Gonzaga without Huff, I don't like, um, Mizzou, I don't like Purdue.
41:35
So what I did is I took NC State to beat BYU, beat Gonzaga. Oh, darn it, I just lost my picture. There we go. Uh, beat Gonzaga, and then on the other side I have Miami knocking off Purdue.
41:48
So I have a wacko NC State against Miami to go to the Final Eight. And guess what?
41:55
NC State goes to the Final Eight, and now it's Wisconsin against NC State for a Final Four bid, and the Badgers take it and go to the Final Four. Now on the bottoms part, on the right. Yeah.
42:11
You, you had NC State stopping in the Elite Eight yesterday too? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I'm just reading off what I have. Okay. Okay. Yep. And then, um, on the bottom side I don't really wanna take Michigan.
42:21
There's another problem, but who, who's gonna knock them off? I don't have anyone to knock them off.
42:26
So I have Texas Tech going against them, but I just don't think Tech without the, the Toppin kid is gonna make it, so I have to have Michigan going to the Final Eight, which I don't really want to, but I have to.
42:36
And then on the bottom bottom you've got, I've got Kentucky going against Iowa State. Iowa State's a team I like, and I have Virginia knocking off Tennessee, so now it's Virginia against the Cyclones.
42:51
To go to the Final Eight, and at first I had Iowa State, but then I crossed it off and I said, "Maybe this is the team of destiny." As Gilly was mentioning, they've kind of been under the radar all year.
43:03
The Wahoos, Virginia Wahoos, will play Michigan in the Final Eight, and then Michigan will advance to the Final Four.
43:13
So we have Whiskey against Michigan in the Final Four, Michigan State against Florida on the other side. Florida wins against Michigan State.
43:22
Whiskey beats Michigan in an incredible upset, and they're going to the finals, and it's Florida versus Wisconsin in the finals. It's Florida Gators, chomp, chomp, two years in a row. Wow.
43:35
So Wiscon- [laughs] The headlines here- No, by the way, none of that stuff is gonna happen, guys... hold on, hold on. [laughs] Just being realistic.
43:40
The, the headlines, Wisconsin gets to the championship game and NC State gets the Elite Eight. Right. Now, you are aware that NC State plays Texas- I know... in a play-in game?
43:49
They'll probably lose t- in the first game before they even make it. Before they even But, but I'm just saying, look, here's the thing. Yeah. Obviously this is long-shot ville, right? Right.
43:58
However, you've gotta, in my opinion, you've gotta pick something a little unorthodox, and then why not pick against teams that you don't like? Which is plenty that I don't like. I don't like Purdue.
44:10
I don't like Gonzaga. Yeah. I don't like these teams, so why not do it in that area? You know? Like Michigan- [laughs]...
44:15
I don't really want Michigan to get to the Final Four, but I couldn't find anyone there to really jam them out.
44:21
Okay, now listen, you schmendrick, are you gonna finally enter this in a big national pool- Yes, I'll, I'll do it... so you'll win it? But it, it, that was my one time. It's over.
44:29
So you're not gonna, you- No, I will, but I know I'm not gonna make it. Like you would've made 35,000. I had the chance that one time. $35,000 down the drain. When you see a chance, take it. Look, you know what?
44:40
After this college basketball season, if the plane goes down on the way home, then it's mic drop. Stop it. Stop it. It's mic drop. Stop it. Mic drop. I've done all I can do.
44:49
You know how you always say, "I've done all I can do." Todd Wishef, everybody, exclusively. Thank God. [laughs] On A Numbers Game. Coming back right here at Visa V Sports Betting Network.
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